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蛇湯噴文:属于人而非蛇的世界

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A World of Men, Not Snakes
属于人而非蛇的世界

By Ravi Singh
Posted on October 17, 2010
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Big Boss with David, the man.
大首领与那个人,大卫。

Thisis the second part of a two-part series of editorial articles covering Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. The first part questions the consistency and logicbehind Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Peace Walker existing within the samefictional canon.

这是关于《Metal Gear Solid:Peace Walker》两篇评论文章中的第二部分。第一部分探讨了处于同一虚构系列下的《Peace Walker》与《Portable Ops》背后的连贯性与逻辑合理性。

SPOILER WARNING: The followingeditorial discusses plot details from the recently released Metal Gear Solideace Walker. If you have not yet played the game and wish to avoid anyspoilers please refrain from reading anything below.

剧透警告:以下评论讨论了最近发售的《Metal Gear Solid:Peace Walker》中的剧情细节。如果你还未玩过游戏并且不希望被剧透请不要继续往下读。

With the sequel of Metal GearSolid: Peace Walker already practically guaranteed to happen by Hideo Kojimahimself, it is of little use discussing the necessity of one. Sucha debatenever seemed to be of great importance with regards to the creation of SnakeEater, Portable Ops, Guns of the Patriots and Peace Walker itself--and in thiscase, Peace Walker actually did leave plenty of plot holes behind.

由于《潜龙谍影:和平行者》这一续作的剧本已经确定由小岛秀夫亲自负责创作,这一作的存在必要性自然毋庸置疑。如斯争论从未在《食蛇者》《掌上行动》《爱国者之枪》以及《和平行者》本身的制作过程中出现,因此,《和平行者》也的确将不少情节漏洞抛诸脑后。

To speculate whatto expect in a sequel is no different than authoring boring fanfiction, withless homoeroticscenes. In essence, nobody gives a fuck about what a fan thinks could be in the sequel unless said fan has a crystal ball. Considering all of the theories cooked up by fans at the end of Sons of Liberty and what actually ended up happening in Guns of the Patriots, Peace Walker 2 might actually be are make of Metal Gear where Big Boss is actually an AI and the real Big Boss loses his memory and is rebranded by The Patriots as Solid Snake. It's farfetched, sure, but we didn't think Eva was a brilliant plastic surgeon, but look at what happened in Guns of the Patriots!

推测续作中可以期待什么和创作乏味小说没什么不同,只不过少了些许同性恋场景。根本没人在乎粉丝希望续作什么样子,除非那个粉丝有颗能看到未来的水晶球。回忆一下粉丝为《Sons of Liberty》结尾所设立的无数理论,再对比一下《Guns of the Patriots》中最终真正发生的事情,没准《Peace Walker 2》就是《Metal Gear》的重制,而那里面的大首领其实是个人工智能体,而真正的大首领失去了记忆并被爱国者们改造成为斯内克。有够离谱,没错,不过我们也没想到夏娃能是那么好的整形外科医生,可是瞧瞧《Guns of the Patriots》里面都发生了些什么!

Instead, much like the conversation on the problems that arise from Portable Ops and Peace Walker being in the same canon, we should focus on Peace Walker itself and what it is trying to say on it's own. Yes, yes, of course, nukes are bad and peace is good. Everyone got that and Hideo Kojima apparently made it so that everyone would get it by slapping us with "peace" as much as possible. However the one thing people are rightfully confused about is the ideology of The Boss and Big Boss. What the fuck is all of this business about "being a gun" and"putting guns down" or whatever?

然而, 正如第一部分谈到将《Portable Ops》与《Peace Walker》放到同一系列中所造成的问题,我们这次还是聚焦《Peace Walker》,来看看这部作品自己究竟想说什么。没错,核弹很糟糕和平很美妙。是个人就知道这事,而小岛秀夫还把游戏做的好像在拿着“和平”二字来回来去扇我们耳光,直到确信我们都明白这点。结果呢,关于大首领和首领的理论人们还是搞不明白。“做一把枪”和“把枪放下”到底是什么意思?

In order to make sense of Big Boss' defection from The Boss despite him crying over a misunderstanding in Guns of the Patriots, we have to understand the ideology that Big Boss eventually championed: the ideology that Solid Snake opposes and an ideology that The Boss would have disapproved of.

尽管在《Guns of the Patriots》中哭诉自己误解了首领,为了弄清大首领对首领的背离原因何在,我们就必须理解大首领最终确立的理念:这一索利德斯内克奋力抗争,而首领不予认同的理念。

OUTER HEAVEN PRINCIPLES
世外天国之信念

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He also believes in Santa Claus!
他也相信圣诞老人!

A lot of fans assume Big Boss was always a one dimensional "evil"character upuntil Snake Eater where he is shown to be a lovable guy who likesto shape plastic explosives into butterflies. It's true that in the first Metal Gear,Big Boss is your typical villain with the minor twist of being your commander,but once Solid Snake sets foot into Zanzibar Land, the real Big Boss is shown.

很大一群粉丝一直将大首领的人格视为单一维度的邪恶,直到《Snake Eater》中,通过把炸弹捏成蝴蝶形状这一细节,显示出他其实也是一个蛮可爱的家伙。没错,在《Metal Gear》中,大首领是你要应付的最首要的恶棍,同时也是你的长官。然而当索利德斯内克踏上桑给巴尔岛之时,真正的大首领方才出现。

Yes, he's batshit insane. However,he has his reasons. While the final battle in Metal Gear has Big Boss irate overshooting himself in the foot by sending Solid Snake to Outer Heaven, his speech in Zanzibar Land is more of a lecture on the political and economic structure she wanted to replace with his own . Big Boss isn't a villain just because he's avillain, he actually had motives, much like anybody in real life. Too often the"villains" of history are (rightfully) shown in a negative light, but rarely do people look into why they did whatthey did, instead summarizing them as evil.

没错,他实在是坏透了,简直像个疯子。不过,他有他的理由。尽管在《Metal Gear》最终战中,大首领愤怒的称自己将索利德斯内克送入世外天国是搬起石头砸自己的脚,他在桑给巴尔岛的言辞更像对于自己所希望建立的政治与经济体制的一场演讲。大首领是个恶棍,但这并非因为他天生如此,他有他自己的动机,正如现实生活 中一样。历史上的“恶棍”也经常被视为邪恶的,然而人们从不去看他们为何作恶,而只是不分青红皂白的将他们归为邪恶。

Backtracking from the grand speech before his defeat at Zanzibar Land, we already see the sympathetic Big Boss and his savior status with Gray Fox's tragic childhood,Dr. Pettrovich Madnar'sinability to return to the scientific community due tohis Metal Gear research and even far back to near the beginning of the game when Snake realizes that Black Ninja, the guy who is throwing ninja stars athim, is Kyle Schneider--the Outer Heaven Resistance member who provided Snakewith assistance back in 1995.

从 大首领在桑给巴尔岛那溃败前那伟大的演讲往前回溯,我们已经可以看到一个充满怜悯心的大首领以及追随者眼中他那救世主一般的地位。想想灰狐那悲剧的童年,马德纳博士因为潜龙谍影研究而无法返回科学界,甚至游戏开头斯内克意识到那个向其投掷忍者飞镖的黑忍者,其实就是1995年给予斯内克帮助的世外天国抵抗部队中的一分子。

Black Ninja: It's...it's me...Schneider, Kyle Schneider. Remember me?
黑忍者:是,是我,施奈德,凯尔施奈德。记得我么?
Snake: Schneider? ...You were in the Resistance at Outer Heaven! But...I thought they killed you!
斯内克:施奈德?你不是那个世外天国抵抗部队的那个人么!可是,我以为已经他们杀了你!
Black Ninja: You've still got a lot to learn,Snake. I was almost killed, but not by them. By you, and your country.
黑忍者:斯内克,你还有太多东西不知道。我差点被杀,但并不是被他们。而是被你,还有你的国家。
Snake: What are you saying, Schneider?
斯内克:你究竟在说什么,施奈德?
Black Ninja: ...Snake, after you destroyed Metal Gear, NATO launched a massive bombing campaign against Outer Heaven. All of us Resistance fighters...and the children of Outer Heaven...they didn't care about any of us.There was no escape from the flames... They died like animals in a cage.
黑忍者:斯内克,在你摧毁潜龙谍影之后,北约向世外天国发动了大规模轰炸作战。我们所有抵抗部队的战士,以及世外天国所有的孩子,他们根本毫不在乎。火焰中全无退路,他们如笼中困兽一般死去。
Snake: I... can't believe this...
斯内克:我,简直不敢相信。
Black Ninja: Think about it. The children of Outer Heaven were originally was orphans and refugees from all over the world. They were a liability... and NATO didn't want to deal with them...
黑忍者:想想吧,那些世外天国的孩子本身就是全世界的孤儿与难民。他们只是个负担。而北约才不想管他们。
Snake: ...No...
斯内克:不。
Black Ninja: You're no different. They'll forget about you, too...
黑忍者:你也一样,他们也会忘记你的。


Big Boss would have been completely justified to kill him at the spot when he ran to him after getting fucked over by NATO. Instead, Big Boss takes him in and lets him rise in Zanzibar Land's ranks.
大首领完全有理由在黑忍者被北约遗弃后奔向他之时杀了他。然而他并没有这么做,反而是吸纳了他,并让其在桑给巴尔岛上得以晋升。

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Big Boss risked his life to save Schneider and others even though they took up arms against Outer Heaven.
大首领豁出命来保护施奈德及其同伴,即使他们曾与世外天国兵戎相见。

That final line isalso a curious one. It's a theme played throughout the Metal Gear series; Big Boss is a consistent man of honorary principles who helped soldiers and war orphans during times when nobody gave a shit about them. Things get even more complicated with the introduction of The Patriots and at that point, even fans begin to wonder if Outer Heaven was an authoritarian state set up to take down the totalitarian rule of the Patriots, much like how Metal Gear RAY was a Metal Gear designed to destroy nuke-launching Metal Gears.

最后一句很有趣。这一主题在Metal Gear系列中被多次重奏;大首领从始至终都拥有军人的荣誉感,当无人在乎那些士兵与战争孤儿时,他选择帮助他们。当在彼时引入爱国者之后,事情变得更加复杂,甚至粉丝们都开始思考,是否世外天国其实是一个以打破爱国者的极权主义为目的而建立的,值得认同的国度,就像建造Metal Gear Ray来摧毁一切用于发射核弹的Metal Gear。

ZANZIBAR ECONOMICS
桑给巴尔岛的经济
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Zanzibar Land's capital assets.
桑给巴尔岛的固定资产

"You saw those children, didn't you? Every one is a victim of a war somewhere of the world. And they'll make fine soldiers in the next war. Start a war, form its flames, create victims... Then save them, train them... And feed them back on to the battlefield. It's a perfectly logical system. In this world of ours, conflict never ends. And neither does our purpose... our raisond'etre."

“你难道没看到那些孩子么?每一个都是世界各地战争的受害者。同时也会在下一场战争中成为极佳的战士。发动战争,点燃火焰,制造受害者。之后拯救他们,训练他们,再将他们送回战场。这是多么完美而具有逻辑的系统。在我们所处的这个世界,斗争永无停息,正如我们的目的一样,我们内心深处的回声。”
- Big Boss
-大首领

After the fall of Zanzibar Land, the other products of the Les Enfant Terribles Project ended up mirroring Big Boss' efforts and, ironically enough, The Patriots themselves seemed to have set up a war economy. The reasoning behind it for both parties are completely different though. Big Boss found a war economy a necessity in human nature. The Patriots found it as a great way to expand its powers.

在桑给巴尔岛暹罗之后,那些魔童计划的其他产品均在模仿大首领的努力,然而极为讽刺的是,看起来正是爱国者自己建立了战争经济。当然,两股势力背后的动因是南辕北辙的。大首领认为战争经济是人类天性不可或缺的一部分。爱国者则认为这是其拓展权力的最佳方式。

Historically speaking, nations in war tend to increase in their size and scope even in nondefensive institutions, using the war effort and national security as excuses. The Patriots managed to create an illusion of a privatized free-market war, which in reality was controlled by The Patriots and thus allowed the United States to be directly engaged in war without appearing to be directly involved. Not too far from the truth today, actually.

从历史的观点来看,战争中的国家会扩充体制,范围甚至涉及那些无防御力的机构,它们通常以战争责任以及 国家安全为借口。爱国者成功的建立了战争私有自由市场化的假象,而实际上牢牢掌控一切,以使米国得以在直接参与战争的同时不必直接出面涉足其内。说实话,和今天的现实差不多。

Big Boss' war economy on the other hand was very transparent and decentralized. Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land were militant states. Their main export is kicking ass. To this degree, maybe Big Boss' forgiveness is more of a trait of a good businessman than a saint--an army at war is willing to get any able man it can, and Black Ninja was certainly able. The war orphans Big Boss rescues,from Gray Fox to the kids at Zanzibar Land, all seem to be capital for Big Boss' enterprises.


另一方面,大首领的战争经济则是非常透明与分散集权的。世外天国与桑给巴尔岛均为军事国度。他们的主要外贸产品就是走人。在这一层次上,也许大首领的宽恕更像是一名商人而非圣人的美德-一支战争中的军队必须接纳一切有能力之人,而黑忍者毫无疑问是这样一个人。大首领所救的战争孤儿,从灰狐到桑给巴尔岛的孩子,看起来都是大首领这一企业的资产。

BIG BOSS, BIG EGO
大首领,大自我

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Big Boss as a founding member of a highly centralized new world order.
大首领作为新型高集权型世界秩序的建立者。

It should be clear from the actions of Ocelot and Big Mama that Big Boss was meant to be revived and fill the vacuum which The Patriots would leave behind in their destruction.I've already explained this a bit as fans still mistake Ocelot and Big Boss as the hero of the Metal Gear series, but it is Naomi Hunter whosomehow convinces Big Boss to face Solid Snake in order to prevent Snake's suicide and bring himself to zero stead via FOXDIE. Before this change of heart though, Big Boss has shown an arrogant elitist behavior.

山猫与大妈妈的行动清楚地表明,他们原想复活大首领来填充爱国者被毁灭之后所形成的真空。我早已解释了很多遍,然而粉丝们仍旧将山猫与大首领当作潜龙谍影系列的英雄。实际上是娜奥米亨特说服了大首领去面见索利德斯内克来阻止他自杀,并通过死狐病毒来将自己回归尘土。在这一心态转变之前,大首领一直显现出极端高傲的精英行 为。

Big Boss was a founding member of The Patriots. While it could be argued that The Patriots were never meant to be what it ended up becoming, it planned on basically controlling nations behind the scenes and dictating what they do. After disagreeing on multiple points such as how he is being portrayed to the world, Big Boss drifts away from Zero's Patriots and starts his own version of The Boss' will in Militaires Sans Frontieres, or MSF. Even here he is seen as somewhat of a pushover, easily agreeing with his partner Miller's demands to relocate, expand, get involved with foreign conflicts and other activities Big Boss--who at this point still refused to be referred to by this name--initially was wary of.

大首领是爱国者的创始成员之一。尽管爱国者是否本就是为了其后所变的形态而建立一事仍待讨论,它确实计划在幕后基本控制国家,并指挥其行动。大首领在许多方面上无法认同爱国者对他的宣传,因而与零上校及其爱国者组织分道扬镳,进而在无国界军队以其自己的方式来延续首领的遗志。即使在此,他也被看做一个软心肠,很容易就同意其伙伴米勒关于迁址,扩张以及涉足国际争端等其他事物的要求。而对这些要求,大首领-这一他至此时仍拒绝接受的称号-本应谨慎对待。

Then, in 1974 something happens. A machine that minutes ago was about to launch a nuke that would probably have ignited all-out nuclear war starts tosing and march off into the ocean, killing itself. This machine is equipped with artificial intelligence that is based on The Boss built by someone who loved her in a way Big Boss probably couldn't understand, and once it is settolaunch, it's supposed to launch on principle. Then it fucking hit him,or at least he thinks it does; The Boss didn't just let herself be killed,shelet herself and her ideals die. At this point, he throws away that TheBoss' bandana he still wore and officially accepts the title he earned forkillingher.


接着,在1974年发生了一些事情。一架几分钟前还要发射核弹进而引起全面核战争的机器开始唱歌,随后踏入湖中自杀了。这架机器装备着依据某位以大首领无法理解的方式爱着首领的人所构建的她的人工智能。一旦被设定为发射,它本应根据设定发射。接着它攻击了他,至少他觉得它攻击了他;首领并没有让自己被杀死, 她让她与她的理念一同死亡了。此时,他抛弃了一直佩戴的首领的头带,正式接受了因杀害她而赢得的称号。

Snake: ...She betrayed me, Kaz.
大首领:她背叛了我,米勒。
Miller: She what?
米勒:她什么?
Snake: In the end, she put down her gun. And when she did... she rejected her entire life up to that point... including me.
大首领:她最后还是放下了枪。而一旦放下枪,她就否定了直至此刻她的全部人生,包括我。
Miller: What do you mean?
米勒:这是什么意思?
Snake: In giving up her life, she abandoned everything she was as a soldier...
大首领:通过放弃生命,她遗弃了曾作为战士的一切。
Miller: And you consider that betrayal?
米勒:而你认为这是背叛?
Snake: I won't make the same choice as her. My future's going to be different.
大首领:我不会做和她一样的选择。我的未来会不同。
Miller: Then...
米勒:那么。
Snake: Yeah, that's right. From now on, call me Big Boss.
大首领:是的,没错。从现在开始,叫我大首领。


Fast forward acouple of decades and it's clear that he has grown past his taste for snakes and instead feeds onhis own ego. Observe when Snake uses Big Boss' own quote during his FOX-HOUND days as a way to explain how he'll defeat Big Boss empty handed:

快进几十年,就可以看到他早已成长到忘记他对蛇的偏爱而更加习惯于他自己的自我。看看当斯内克引用大首领在猎狐犬时所说的话来解释他将如何空手击败大首领的时刻吧:

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Snake: "Never give up. Fight until the end. Always believe you will succeed, even when the odds are against you."...Those are your words.
斯内克:“决不放弃,战斗至最后一刻,永远相信你会胜利,即使所有人都反对你。”这都是你说的。
Big Boss: Even I make mistakes from time to time.
大首领:即使我也会不时犯错。

It's no surprise that this leader complex projected itself to people like Ocelot and Big Mama who gave a large amount of their effort to destroy The Patriots by reviving BigBoss. After all, what good is your so-called liberty when your perfect leader is burnt to a crisp?

不难想到,这位领袖将自己的人格极为复杂的映射在了那些付出了巨大努力通过复活大首领来摧毁爱国者的人们身上,如山猫和大妈妈。

Big Boss: The only thing that satisfies your cravings... is WAR! All I've done is give you a place for it. I've given you a reason to live.
大首领:唯一能够满足你渴望的,就是战争!我所做的不过是给你一个战场。我给了你活下去的理由。

Big Boss and the cult of personality that was developed believed in the fall of The Patriots, but also believed in Big Boss becoming the leader of Outer Heaven. Only he can offer people such as Solid Snake himself"a reason to live." Maybe someone else has better ideas? At this point, it doesn't matter. Big Boss will only listen to Big Boss.As an orphan told Snake:

大首领以及其建立起的对其人格的崇拜坚信爱国者的覆灭,同时亦相信大首领会成为世外天国的领导者。唯有他能够给予如索利德斯内克这样的人“一个活下去的理由”。也许别人有些更好的主意?此时,这些都无关紧要。大首领只听自己的,正如一个孤儿告诉斯内克的:

Kid: The one-eyed man is like our daddy. He doesn't like grown-ups.
孩子:那个一只眼睛的男人就像我们的爸爸一样。他和那些长大了的人不太一样。

Perhaps Big Boss hates "grown-ups" because he hates other people telling him what to do? It would be a stark contrast with his days at MSF whenhe was always open to ideas, suggestions and advice. Children tend to be more open to other people's ideas and are usually far more dependent than adults. This is perfect for a place where there's no room for individuality. Otherwise,the great armies of Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land would have been a clusterfuck of soldiers who'd fight each other to the death over trivial matters such as military food rations.

也许大首领痛恨“长大了的人”因为他厌恶其他人告诉他什么该做?这可与他在无国界军队时候善于吸纳意见建议的日子完全不同。孩子对其他人的建议更为开放,也常常依赖成人。对于一个没有个体的地方来说,这可太完美了。否则,世外天国与桑给巴尔岛的强大军队只能是一群会为了军粮这等小事就互殴至死的乌合之众。

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Snake might have taken Miller's advice over his own gut feeling, but Big Boss definitely took matters into his own hands afterwards, especially after Pacifica Ocean reveals herself as Zero's spy and Miller revealed that he knew it all along.
也许斯内克对于米勒的建议是真心认同,但大首领绝对是后知后觉,尤其当太平洋(译注:即帕兹)表明她是零上校派遣的间谍,而米勒表示他从一开始就知道这件事。

Big Boss wouldn't have any of that. He shouldn't either--he's a military leader, not a philosopher. He's not writing non-fiction books or lecturing at university halls, he's running an army. In a military, there is leadership and you do not question that leadership. In Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land, that leader is BigBoss. Seems simple enough, but what happens when the military becomes the state? Same thing that happens when this phenomenon occurs in real life: thehead of the military is now the head of the state.

大首领绝不能如此,也不该如此-他是一支军队的领导,不是哲学家。他不是在写小说或者在大学礼堂演讲,二十管理一支军队。在军队中,唯有领袖,而你不能质疑领袖。在世外天国以及桑给巴尔岛,大首领就是领袖。看起来很简单吧,但是当军队变为国家之后呢?现实生活中同样如此,军队领导成了国家领导。
ANTI-STATE
反政府

There is a misconception that anarchy is a simple belief that there are no rules so you can do whatever the fuck you want. This might be true for some young people whojust want an excuse to cause a ruckus at their culdesac but in reality, anarchism has a wide varietyof schools of thought. Anarcho-collectivists for example believe that the state and private property should cease to exist and instead the means of production will be collectivized and thus owned by everybody. In contrast, anarcho-capitalists believe that the markets would be the natural nonaggressivemeans of life in the stateless society. Anarcho-collectivists believe that anarchy also includes doing away with hierarchies while anarcho-capitalists mock the democratic processes that anarcho-collectivism would require despite being stateless.

毫无疑问一般认为无政府状态就是没有规则而你可以为所欲为。对 于那些只想在路上闹点事的人来说这也许是个借口,但是在现实里面,无政府主义有着数不胜数的思想。例如无政府集体主义相信国家与私有财产应予废除,取而代之的是集体生产以及资产共有。另一方面,无政府资本主义则认为市场才是无政府社会下最自然而不会引起冲突的生活方式。无政府集体主义认为无政府主义应当包 含废除等级,而除了认同无政府状态外,无政府资本主义嘲笑无政府集体主义所要求的民主进程。

Outer Heaven might seem like an anarcho-collectivist idea, but it's not. The workers do not engage in a democratic process to determine how things will be.It's Big Boss who chooses--clearly there is a hierarchy here. There are more anarchist doctrines that varies between social and individual schools of thought but none seem to fit Outer Heaven. It's definitely an anarchist philosophy though due to the lack of desire for an established state. As a result, I've decided to coin the term anarcho-militarism to describe the goal of Outer Heaven.


世外天国看起来很像无政府集体主义,然而它并不是。工人们并没有参与决定事物的民主进程。唯有大首领自己进行决定-这里很明显是专制制度。在社会以及个人中 有更多数不胜数的各不相同的无政府教条,然而没有一条适合世外天国。由于缺乏建立国家的意向,它绝对是秉持着无政府的理念。因此,我决定以无政府军事主义来描述世外天国的目标。

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"Our father - His dream was to create an army of free citizens, one that answered to no government... Outer Heaven."
“我们的父亲-他的梦想是创造一个由自由公民所组成的军队,他们从不听从任何政府智慧。世外天国。”
- Liquid Ocelot
-利奎德山猫

Instead of communes or the free market, anarcho-militarism suggests that people will be free of nations and citizenship, instead taking up arms and join tribal militaries and will fight. To Big Boss, this is "logical" and perhaps only natural for humans.


与公社或自由市场不同,无政府军事主义希望人们脱离国家与公民义务,而拿起武装,参与部落军队,然后战斗。对大首领而言,这才是“符合逻辑”以及人类唯一的天性。

"This is only the beginning, Snake. America will descend into chaos...It'll be the Wild West all over again. No law, no order. Fire will spread across the world. The people will fight... And through battle they will know the fullness of life. At last... Our father's will... His Outer Heaven... Is complete."


“斯内克,这只是开始而已。美国会陷入混乱。一切将再次归于西部荒野。没有法律,没有秩序。战火将弥漫整个世界。人们将战斗,而通过战斗他们才会感到生命的满足。最终,我们父亲的愿望,他的世外天国,将会实现。”
- Liquid Ocelot
-利奎德山猫

Anarcho-militarismis Big Boss' will. While the idea of having no choice outside of being a soldier seems totalitarian to many in the modern western world, in Big Boss'view, it is the only means of true liberty in the world.


无政府军事主义即大首领之愿。尽管除去当兵之外别无选择这个想法再现代西方世界看来显得极为极权主义,在大首领看来,这才是世界实现真正和平的唯一方式。

LETTING THE WORLD BE
让世界自行运转

So what is The Boss' will? It seems like after forty years, Big Boss finally understood it.

那么首领之愿又是什么呢?看起来四十年后,大首领终于明白了。

"Boss...You were right. It's not about changing the world. It's about doing our best to leave the world...The way it is. It's about respecting the will of others...And believing in your own. Isn't that... What you fought for? At last... I understand the meaning behind what you did. At last... I understand the truth behind your courage."

“
首领。你是对的。我们并不是要改变这个世界,而是尽我们所能让这个世界自行运转。尊重他人的想法,并坚信自己的。你是不是在为这个战斗?最后,我终于明白了你所做一切背后的意义。最后,我终于明白了你的勇气来自何处。”

It is often misinterpreted that The Boss meant, literally, to let things be the way they are. In that case, The Boss is rooting for some kind of pacifistic neutral political philosophy. However, this is closer to what Big Boss incorrectly believed The Boss' will wasin 1974. Really, it seems more like a catch phrase to yet another anarchist philosophy: voluntarism. Voluntarists believe that all forms of human actions should be as voluntary as possible. The initiating useof force is against voluntarist principles although self-defense towards those who initiate force is acceptable. If we apply this thinking to what is The Boss' will, we see that"leaving the world the way it is" means to leave individuals the fuck alone. They see government as creating conflicts internationally through means of force. Remember, it is the state that took everything away from The Boss.

人们经常误认为首领想要让世界自行发展。如果是那样,首领不过在根植某种和平折中的政治哲学。不过,这倒是很像1974年大首领所错误理解的首领之愿。实际上,首领之愿更像是另一个无政府哲学中的短语:唯意志论。唯意志论认为任何形态的人类行为都应该尽可能随意志而动。首先使用武力是违反唯意志论者的原则的,然而对那些首先动用武力的人实行自我防卫却是可以接受的。如果我们将这一思想作为首领之愿,就可以发现“让世界自行发展”意味着让个体孤独终老。他们 将政府看做通过武力方式制造国际争端者。记住,正是国家夺走了首领的一切。

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"The foibles of politics and the march of time canturn friends into enemies just as easily as the wind changes. Ridiculous, isn'tit? Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition.  And this Cold War? Think back... When I was leadingthe Cobras, America and Russia were fighting together. Now consider whether America and Russia will still be enemies in the 21st century. Somehow, I doubt it. Enemies change along with the times, and the flow of the ages. And we soldiers are forced to play along. I didn't raise you and shape you into the man you are today just so we could face each other in battle. A soldier's skills aren't meant to be used to hurt friends."
“政治的缺陷以及时间的演进足以如风转向般轻易的将朋友变为敌人。是不是很荒谬?昨日的盟友却成了今日的死敌。至于这场冷战?回想一下,当我领导眼镜蛇小队之时,米国与俄国并肩作战。现在想一想米国与俄国是否还会在21世纪继续为敌。我不得不质疑。敌人随时间与时代流动而变。我们士兵则被迫必须随之而战。我抚养你,塑造你并不是为了今天在战场上与你相对。士兵的战斗技能并不是为了伤害朋友而使用的。”
- The Boss
-首领

The Boss isn't necessarily an anarchist, mind you. She seemingly sought to restore the Philosophers to their original form and to some degree believed in liberal institutions to some degree. However, the key principles of voluntarism do echo with her words. Similarly, while Solid Snake might not be an anarchist, he certainly following similar volunatrist thinking at least through Philanthropy.


首领未必是个无政府主义者。看起来她想要将哲学家组织归为原来的形式,在某种程度上,她仍然相信自由主义机构。不论如何,唯意志论者的核心观点的确与她的话有所共鸣。与其相似的是,尽管索利德斯内克也未必是个无政府主义者,至少通过慈善家组织,他毫无疑问贯彻着相似的唯意志论思想。

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Philanthropy's logo and motto. "To let the world be" is not a reactionary, conservative or nihilistic viewpoint but rather a voluntarist one.
慈善家组织的标志与座右铭。“让世界自行运转”并非反动主义,保守主义或者虚无主义观点,更像是一个唯意志论的观点。

It's no coincidence then, that Philanthropy's motto is "To Let The World Be."The group clearly has an ideology but it doesn't use force to get closer to it. Remember, Snake was armed with a non-lethal weapon during the Tanker incident and had to arm himself with a handgun only after Gurlukovich soldiers invaded the ship killing Marines left-and-right. Even with regards to Metal Gear units, Philanthropy simply leaks information as opposed to destroying what'sessentially private property. Even as individuals within Philanthropy,Snake pulls the voluntarist line of thinking:

然 而“让世界自行运转”成为哲学家的座右铭并非巧合。这一团体拥有明确的理念,然而却从不使用暴力来达成它。记住,斯内克在油轮篇中配备的是一支非致命性武器而且只在格鲁科维奇的士兵大肆侵入油轮开始大肆屠杀米国海军之时才不得不以一只手枪来装备自己。即使对于Metal Gear,慈善家组织也仅仅泄露消息而非摧毁这 些本属私人的财产。甚至作为慈善家的一员,斯内克也提出了的唯意志论的理念:

"We're here on our own, not under anyone's orders. We have our own battles. Otacon's here for someone -- I'm not."

“我们自发来到这里,而非受任何人指使。我们有自己的战斗。奥塔康是为了某人来此-我不是。”

This seems similar to Big Boss' rhetoric in his speech to Outer Heaven near the end of Peace Walker:

这与《Peace Walker》近结尾处大首领在其对世外天国的演讲中的用词极为相似。

"We go where we're needed, fighting, not for government, but for ourselves. We need no reason to fight. We fight because we are needed."

“我们去需要我们的地方,并战斗,不为政府,为我们自己。我们战斗不需要理由,我们战斗只因为战斗需要我们。”

However, while Snake is talking about individualism, Big Boss is merely speaking for the collective that he is controlling. It's true that many, if not most, of Outer Heaven's soldiers are under Big Boss by their own free will. However, while Solid Snake mentions the different reasons behind Philanthropy's involvement for each individual, Big Boss merely groups their reason for action simply because it's "needed." In fact, he states "we need no reason to fight." Compare this once again with Snake.

只 不过,斯内克是在谈论个体主义,而大首领不过是在为其所控制的这一批人而演讲。的确,很多世外天国的士兵,即使不是大多数,是依从其自由意志而跟随大首领会吸的。然而,对比索利德斯内克谈到参加慈善家组织每一个人的不同原因,大首领仅仅将他们行动的理由归结为“被需要”。实际上,他是在说“我们进行战斗并不需要理由。”再将这与斯内克做一个对比。

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Snake: I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice...
斯内克:我知道这次你并没有太多选择机会。但是你所感到的一切,在这次任务中所想到的一切,都属于你。你决定怎样看待他们,也是你的选择。
Raiden: You mean start over?
雷电:你的意思是,从头开始?
Snake: Yeah, a clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's for you to decide. It's up to you.
斯内克:是的,一张白纸。一个新名字,新的记忆。选择你自己的血脉。你来决定,一切取决于你。
In an ironic twist, Solid Snake seems to have taken on the will of a woman that he never even know about who happened to have had a profound influence on his enemies. It was the people who knew her--Zero, Ocelot, Big Boss, Sigint, Paramedic andEva--who twisted it into their sick ideologies. In the end though, Big Boss rejects anarcho-militarism and unlike the other founding members of the Patriots, embraces voluntarism. Indeed, Big Boss lets Snake know of the new liberty that he can now experience.

这真是一个充满讽刺意味的扭曲,看起来索利德斯内克继承了这个他从不认识的女人的遗志,而这个女人恰恰对他的敌人们产生了极为深远的影响。正是那些认识她的人-零上校,山猫,大首领,希金特,空降护理以及夏娃-将她扭曲进入他们可怕的理念之中。当然,最终大首领与其他爱国者的建立成员不同,大首领拒绝了无政府军事主义,而转为拥抱唯意志论。确实,大首领让斯内克了解到他正在经历的新的自由。

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Big Boss in regret over his actions in 1964 and his transformation in 1974.
大首领为其1964年的所作所为以及1974年的转变而懊悔不已。

"It's almosttime for me to go. And with me... the last ember of this fruitless wardies out.And at last those old evils will be gone. Once the source of evil returns to zero... a new one... a new future... will be born. That new world...is yours to live in. Not as a snake... but... as a man. Know this... Zero and I... Liquid and Solidus... we all fought a long, bloody war for our liberty. We fought to free ourselves from nations... and systems... and norms, and ages.But no matter how hard we tried, the only liberty we found... was on the inside... trapped within those limits. The Boss and I may have chosen different paths... but in the end, we were both trapped inside the same cage... liberty. But you... you have been given freedom. Freedom to be... outside. You are nobody's tool now...no one's toy. You are no longer a prisoner of fate. You are no longer a seed of war. It's time for you to see the outside world with your own eyes. Your body... and your soul... are your own. Forget about us. Live... for yourself. And find... a new lease on life. Boss... you only need one snake--No... the world would be better off without snakes."

“我 该走了。随我而去的还有着无果之战的最后一丝灰烬。最终这些老掉牙的恶魔们终于该消失了。在恶魔源头归零之际,一个新的,新的未来即将诞生。这个新的世界属于你。不是作为蛇,而是作为人。记住,零上校和我,利奎德和索利德斯,我们都为了自由而打了一场血腥而漫长的战斗。然而无论我们如何努力,我们所找到的 唯一自由,是在我们内心身处,被那些限制所围困。首领与我也许选择了不同的道路,但最后,我们都被困在同样的笼子里面,这个笼子名为自由。但是你,你已经获得了自由,走出笼子的自由。现在你再不是谁的工具或者玩偶,再也不是命运的囚徒,亦非战争的种子。是时候用你自己的眼睛看看外面的世界了。你的身体,你的心灵,都属于你自己。忘记我们吧。为你自己而活。为生命找到一个新的方向。首领,你只需要一条蛇-不。这世界最好没有蛇。”

Without The Patriots and the cult of Big Boss dictating the events in the world, there isno need for men like David to become Snake. His associations will now truly be voluntary. This is the world The Boss envisioned and seems to be what Snake wanted as well, where there was no need for "Snakes" for free men will live in a nonaggressive, but self-protected, society. How long such a society can exist has yet to be seen though, both in real life and within the Metal Gear canon.

没有了爱国者以及对大首领的狂热崇拜来统治这个世界,大卫这样的人就无需变成斯内克了。他的组织才会真正变成志愿性的。这才是首领所预见的世界,也许同时亦是斯内克所想要的世界,在这个世界里,人们可以不需要攻击他人却可以自保的世界,在这个世界里,不需要“蛇”的存在。这样一个社会能存在多长时间仍有待观 察,在现实生活以及潜龙谍影系列中都是如此。

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发表于 2010-10-21 15:02:23 | 显示全部楼层
Red,你把Metal Gear这个词一律翻译为潜龙谍影了……还是还原吧……
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 15:11:46 | 显示全部楼层
吐血了。
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发表于 2010-10-21 17:31:43 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得小岛设计游戏的理念时都未必能有如此深入……
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发表于 2010-10-21 18:15:57 | 显示全部楼层
想太多了吧!
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发表于 2010-10-21 18:28:24 | 显示全部楼层
原文作者就是这么一个爱拿芝麻绿豆大点的事情较真的人,也是有爱的一种表现方式。

我心想一个人每天除了吃饭睡觉学习工作之外就老去琢磨MGS里的这些事,还真不是一般人能做到的。

游戏需要逻辑吗?我不知道,不过我知道MGS系列做了8部正史作品,剧情基本上能说圆满了,放到整个游戏圈里,一个游戏系列延续了20多年,前后八部正史作品剧情首尾相顾,依然不失精彩,这样的系列,也不多见了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 18:41:30 | 显示全部楼层
我覺得雖然主要是無關痛癢的吐槽,看他寫的這些東西還是能引導我們自己思索一些東西,否則我也不費勁巴拉的翻譯了。比如這篇裏面對於BB和TB以及Snake本身理念的分析,就已經是很少見的了。你可以說他想的太多,但是我認為,這是因為這個遊戲本身是有深度的。如果遊戲劇本本身毫無水準,還會有玩家來思考這些?我喜歡這系列很大程度還是因為遊戲過程有所得。畢竟我也完全不是什麽動作遊戲高手,也沒有耐性反復鍛煉遊戲技藝。但是我很喜歡這系列塑造的人物與故事,并因此加深了自己對世界的認識,我想這樣我的遊戲過程就不僅僅是娛樂和消費而已。也許以後MGS系列的劇本會越來越平庸,那時候也許我還會尋覓到更好的劇本并去認真的體會。無論如何,我認為玩家與遊戲之間並非完全純粹的消費關係。在此之外,還有別的存在。
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发表于 2010-10-21 18:48:41 | 显示全部楼层
这货不是吐槽文这货不是吐槽文

1.敲敲 应为 瞧瞧

2.He doesn't like grown ups.
应为 他不喜欢大人。

3.作者提到无政府主义
奇怪的是,竟然未提到mgs4的片尾曲
该曲原为电影《Sacco And Vanzetti》的片尾曲
http://movie.douban.com/subject/1303104/

影片讲述的正是两个身在美国的意大利移民,因为无政府主义者的身份,被美政府陷害致死
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发表于 2010-10-21 19:00:16 | 显示全部楼层
引用第6楼hongyun198于2010-10-21 18:41发表的  :
我覺得雖然主要是無關痛癢的吐槽,看他寫的這些東西還是能引導我們自己思索一些東西,否則我也不費勁巴拉的翻譯了。比如這篇裏面對於BB和TB以及Snake本身理念的分析,就已經是很少見的了。你可以說他想的太多,但是我認為,這是因為這個遊戲本身是有深度的。如果遊戲劇本本身毫無水準,還會有玩家來思考這些?我喜歡這系列很大程度還是因為遊戲過程有所得。畢竟我也完全不是什麽動作遊戲高手,也沒有耐性反復鍛煉遊戲技藝。但是我很喜歡這系列塑造的人物與故事,并因此加深了自己對世界的認識,我想這樣我的遊戲過程就不僅僅是娛樂和消費而已。也許以後MGS系列的劇本會越來越平庸,那時候也許我還會尋覓到更好的劇本并去認真的體會。無論如何,我認為玩家與遊戲之間並非完全純粹的消費關係。在此之外,還有別的存在。
有道理,游戏之余能有更多的收获,这就是MGS系列的魅力所在,不管是什么样的玩家,什么样的玩法,MGS系列都尽可能的可以满足玩家的需求。

说到剧本方面的平庸,我看小岛秀夫本人还是不要继续开发MGS作品的好,就算变着法的编也没用,要不然就真的榨干了……所幸MGS RISING和MGS SE都不是他操刀制作,也没他什么事,希望下一部作品是MGS之外的题材,否则他没腻味,我们都快腻味了。
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发表于 2010-10-21 19:13:21 | 显示全部楼层
引用第6楼hongyun198于2010-10-21 18:41发表的  :
我覺得雖然主要是無關痛癢的吐槽,看他寫的這些東西還是能引導我們自己思索一些東西,否則我也不費勁巴拉的翻譯了。比如這篇裏面對於BB和TB以及Snake本身理念的分析,就已經是很少見的了。你可以說他想的太多,但是我認為,這是因為這個遊戲本身是有深度的。如果遊戲劇本本身毫無水準,還會有玩家來思考這些?我喜歡這系列很大程度還是因為遊戲過程有所得。畢竟我也完全不是什麽動作遊戲高手,也沒有耐性反復鍛煉遊戲技藝。但是我很喜歡這系列塑造的人物與故事,并因此加深了自己對世界的認識,我想這樣我的遊戲過程就不僅僅是娛樂和消費而已。也許以後MGS系列的劇本會越來越平庸,那時候也許我還會尋覓到更好的劇本并去認真的體會。無論如何,我認為玩家與遊戲之間並非完全純粹的消費關係。在此之外,還有別的存在。

我只是对作者提到无政府主义这点觉得扯远了.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 20:46:48 | 显示全部楼层

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我是覺得大人的意思比較含糊,可能體現不出成長的意思。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 20:49:38 | 显示全部楼层

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可能是作者希望為TB的與BB的理念在現實中尋找一個出處罷了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 20:52:59 | 显示全部楼层

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已經寫盡了,沒什麼可編的了,4爲了圓這些夢已經耗費了太多的心力,PW又是不那麼成功。
真的該撤了,做些別的,只要發揮實力,絕對要比守著這點古董強。
看看暗影之王的華麗轉身,也該有所思索了。
小島雖然一直在求變,但是如果丟了好遊戲的某些核心東西,終歸是不行的啊。
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发表于 2010-10-21 21:07:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第1楼蝙蝠侠于2010-10-21 15:02发表的 :
Red,你把Metal Gear这个词一律翻译为潜龙谍影了……还是还原吧……

我刚想说这话...
潜龙谍影我觉得一般只指MGS以后的作品
MG和MG2SS都还不在这个范围内
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引用第12楼hongyun198于2010-10-21 20:52发表的 回 8楼(蝙蝠侠) 的帖子 :
已經寫盡了,沒什麼可編的了,4爲了圓這些夢已經耗費了太多的心力,PW又是不那麼成功。
真的該撤了,做些別的,只要發揮實力,絕對要比守著這點古董強。
看看暗影之王的華麗轉身,也該有所思索了。
小島雖然一直在求變,但是如果丟了好遊戲的某些核心東西,終歸是不行的啊。
没错,看着暗影之王发售之后那些所谓的《恶魔城》系列老玩家的剧烈反应,就明白一个系列要掉转方向绝非易事,当初总部还有帖子问大家是否会玩没有Snake当主角的MGS游戏,是否还会王没有小岛秀夫制作的MGS游戏,言犹在耳,现实就已经到来。

我想起码总部还算好,目前整体氛围还是宽容的,大家都看得明白,也理解小岛秀夫,我也知道MGS RISING不会让每个人都满意,但至少Konami和小岛秀夫以及小岛工作室,都在尝试改变,尝试一条新的路子,这证明了他们不是看不到问题所在,心里还是明白的,MGS RISING如果真的能够销量口碑双丰收,我想这会有助于MGS系列的发展,更会是小岛秀夫的福音,他可以不再被MGS系列所绑架了。

之前的MG ACID系列和MGSPO,也不能说一无是处,前者的特点很鲜明,特别是2代,真的让人印象深刻,只可惜主角是Snake,不然也是有发挥空间的,后者没玩过就不评价了。只能说MGS招牌太亮太响,很多玩家眼里揉不进沙子,对以往经典部分的改变,稍不如意,都有可能会被认为是背叛和亵渎,想想当初生化危机4,再想想如今的暗影之王,老的游戏系列都在内忧外困之中挣扎求变,MGS系列相比之下算状况很好了,但以后的事情,谁说的准呢?所以早做打算,未雨绸缪,相信小岛秀夫应该是胸有成竹了,至于今后怎样,就要看结果说话了。
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发表于 2010-10-21 21:25:12 | 显示全部楼层
引用第13楼brightxy于2010-10-21 21:07发表的  :

我刚想说这话...
潜龙谍影我觉得一般只指MGS以后的作品
MG和MG2SS都还不在这个范围内
我个人觉得吧……Metal Gear Solid被称为潜龙谍影,Metal Gear被称为合金装备或燃烧战车,这个说法自认为比较合理。但在总部为了避免争执和理解偏差,我都是尽量用英文来写的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 22:03:37 | 显示全部楼层

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系列口碑建立的基礎並非什麽無意義的教條,而是品質啊。
要是你MGSPW和MPO真能達到前作品質,誰還樂意噴你。
明顯下滑嘛。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 22:04:43 | 显示全部楼层

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潛龍諜影是科樂美官方翻譯嘛。
只不過具體的MG型號用這個代稱就不合適了。
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潛龍諜影是科樂美官方翻譯嘛。
只不過具體的MG型號用這個代稱就不合適了。

潜龙单指的话只指MGS1...
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-21 22:10:44 | 显示全部楼层
單指是什麽意思?
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引用第19楼hongyun198于2010-10-21 22:10发表的 :
單指是什麽意思?

单独指一款游戏...而不指系列的时候...
你文章里把MG1都叫做了潜龙谍影...
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引用第16楼hongyun198于2010-10-21 22:03发表的 回 14楼(蝙蝠侠) 的帖子 :
系列口碑建立的基礎並非什麽無意義的教條,而是品質啊。
要是你MGSPW和MPO真能達到前作品質,誰還樂意噴你。
明顯下滑嘛。
PSP平台上,基本让MGSPW也把潜力挖的差不多了,接下来就看MGS SE的了,不过我估摸着有了这两次的教训,小岛以后也不会轻易把MGS正统作品放到掌机平台上了,要放也是放一些外传级的作品,不如把MG ACID给再好好收拾一下,也许又是一条新路子,再不然加上MGSPW里的这类系统也行,只要剧情别和历史故事线上的情节挂钩即可。
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发表于 2010-10-22 04:06:34 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这两作挺好的啊?第2作大boss加强了,但是没有肉身boss我觉得不如第一作,仅此而已。在掌机上能玩到这样的还要怎么样?实在不喜欢就支持家用机版好了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-22 08:46:16 | 显示全部楼层

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毕竟有个MGGB摆在那里,如果超越不了GB版在当时的水准,不就是失败么
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引用第23楼hongyun198于2010-10-22 08:46发表的 回 22楼(lalaphin) 的帖子 :
毕竟有个MGGB摆在那里,如果超越不了GB版在当时的水准,不就是失败么   
我觉得MG GB之所以出色,也是因为有MG2这样的现成样板可以参照,其实以PSP的机能,做成MGS1类似的固定俯视视角的游戏也不会很吃力,不知道为何不从这方面下下功夫,难道是索尼的要求太高的缘故?
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