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Black Cat

虽然只是两个人在一个房间里唠（或者说是轮流唠？），但是却觉得一点也不枯燥，一口气就看完了。麦卡锡的剧本跟两位老戏骨的魅力。
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PART I TOMMY LEE JONES

HBO What was it about the play that appealed to you?

Tommy Lee Jones It's a very good play. I mean who could resist that writing?

HBO Was there ever any consideration (or pressure) to transform it into something bigger and film scenes beyond the apartment?

Tommy Lee Jones No. There was no pressure of any kind.

HBO So what you wanted all along was to take it as it was ...

Tommy Lee Jones And shoot it.

HBO You directed and acted. Does wearing two hats complicate things or make each role easier?

Tommy Lee Jones Having any one of those two jobs makes the other easier. You just know more, you have more control, you don't have to spend as much time trying to figure out what the director thinks or what the actor thinks. If you're both, life is simpler.

HBO Would you say it was harder to learn all the dialogue, or deal with the logistics of shooting in a small space?

Tommy Lee Jones I didn't encounter much difficulty because I did a lot of planning.

HBO How did Samuel L. Jackson come to be a part of the production?

Tommy Lee Jones I called him on the phone and asked him if he would read the play and then tell me if he wanted to do it. And he read the play and said he wanted to do it.

HBO I understand that Cormac McCarthy was on the set of the production - did he make any contributions or give notes?

Tommy Lee Jones Quite a lot. He was part of the rehearsal process from the very beginning. We spent 10 days rehearsing on the soundstage with no one there but me, Sam, a script supervisor and Cormac.

HBO Did he offer any stage instructions, for instance there's a scene where your lying on the couch while Samuel L. Jackson sits on a chair. It's a classic therapist/patient set up, and you're talking about your parents.

Tommy Lee Jones No there were no stage directions, I just thought that up. It's essentially comic, although it's sad.

HBO Were there aspects of either character that resonated with you?

Tommy Lee Jones At any given hour of any given day, I can identify with both of them, or one or the other.

HBO One of the points your character makes is that knowledge destroys the spirit. Do you agree?

Tommy Lee Jones I don't believe that there's any argument to that effect that the play offers.

HBO The characters are named Black and White, but there are many nuances to the story. At its close, is there a winner?? Are we even supposed to wonder if there is one?

Tommy Lee Jones That question you asked is more important than the answer.


PART II SAMUEL JACKSON

HBO Tommy Lee Jones said he called you up and asked you to read the play - was it as simple as that?

Samuel L. Jackson It was not much more than that. He called me and said, \"Look, I'm doing this thing. It's a two-man play and I'd like for you to do it. So I'm going to send it to you, read it and tell me what you think.\" I could have told him right then and there I would have done it. I like working with TL. I like him. I totally respect his choices intellectually so I was sure that it was something I'd want to do.

HBO What about the play interested you?

Samuel L. Jackson The amount of dialogue! [Laughs] First of all, the challenge of learning that much dialogue. Secondly, the challenge of learning dialogue that intellectually stimulating, the intensity of it, the level of responsibility that my character has in the beginning to keep that conversation going. And not having done a play in 15 years, I wanted to see if I could still exercise that muscle.

HBO Does having worked with Tommy Lee Jones before give you a shorthand with each other?

Samuel L. Jackson It makes things easier because we can talk about the things that bother us without feeling self-conscious. I could understand what he wanted to do and what he was trying to accomplish in terms of movement of the camera, or the juxtaposition of the characters -- who's in the dominant position and who's in the submissive position, how much work he wanted to accomplish per day. And it's just easier when the person you're working with is someone you can laugh with.

HBO Did having him direct you change your relationship?

Samuel L. Jackson Not really. You learn that theater is a dictatorship and you do what the dictator wants.

HBO What wisdom did Cormac McCarthy offer on set?

Samuel L. Jackson Every now and then I would have questions about my character's intent or what he was trying to say. I'd look up a word and it'd have three different meanings. [Laughs] And I would be like, \"So which meaning am I using when I'm referencing this word in this particular phrase?\" Because it totally changes the dynamic of what you're trying to say or what you're trying to accomplish. So fortunately Cormac was there to answer that.

HBO Set designer Merideth Boswell mentioned you had a distinct sense of who Black was, and what he would or wouldn't have in his home. How do you know what's right?

Samuel L. Jackson I usually do biographies for my characters, because it is make-believe. I have the freedom to figure out who they are, how much education they have, what kind of parents they have, how much time he spent in jail, and for what? Did he have military experience? He talks about the kids he had -- Cormac gives a certain amount of information, I just have to fill in the blanks. They aren't things I have to talk about or things that the audience will find out, but they're important things that make me a whole character. I might be the only person that knows where that sofa came from. Did I salvage it myself, did I get people to help me drag it up? When I was doing theater, you were taught, \"Where are you coming from?\" \"What's your intention when you get here?\" and \"Where are you going when you leave?\" whether the audience knows it or not.

People ask me, \"Where do you think White went when he left the apartment?\" Black thinks he went to kill himself. Me personally, I haven't given it thought yet. But Black knows he's going to commit suicide and he's devastated.

HBO Is there anything Black could have said to keep White from leaving?

Samuel L. Jackson I doubt it. White spends a lot of time trying not to hurt Black's feelings. He spends the majority of the time saying, \"You don't want me to tell you all this.\" But Black's pushing buttons, until finally, White lowers the boom. He's so intellectually superior, he knows how to make what he's saying as scathing and as hurtful as it could possibly be. And Black has no idea of the depths of his despair. There's nothing he can do but unlock the door.

HBO To use a phrase from the play, has anyone ever \"put you in the trick bag\"?

Samuel L. Jackson [Laughs] People lie to you about things all the time.