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发表于 2007-8-11 01:52:10 | 显示全部楼层
我总觉得"I can't fly the WIG by myself."是一种笨拙的掩盖再怎么说在那种紧急时刻谈情说爱未免太不知轻重了(BB可是很反感007的做派),很难说BB对EVA没有情愫,以BB那种木你们认为他会为了生理需要,放松而和EVA……吗?至于EVA的离开那是没有办法的,毕竟她有她的任务……
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发表于 2007-8-11 09:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
感觉有点牵强啊……
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发表于 2007-8-14 20:54:52 | 显示全部楼层
反对!
首先Snake的人生就对他的世界观有很大影响!大家仔细想像。在BOSS任务前Snake的人生整天都是怎样过的。像他那样纯粹的“战争机器”``````
Snake是特工!特工是间谍和战士的结合(间谍第一啊)间谍要是有普通人的感情各位认为Snake能活到BOSS任务吗?
那不是Snake的错!世界就是这样。生存就是这样。Snake得到了战争中生存的机会。他当然也会失去普通人拥有的东西。

说Snake无情、为了胜利(生理)需要和EVA更是扯淡!以为Snake还是以为EVA是我们每天在大街上随处可见的“你浓我弄”的“LA青年”吗?

Snake不是无情!是人生教育他轻易对他人“有情”。这就是特工啊!007那样的“YY男”不过是“宅男们”的幻想罢了!
Snake是每次拒绝了EVA。这是他无情?难道说见EVA一次就要XO一次就是爱的表现?!不顾及自己的责任!想怎样就怎样那是什么啊?
Snake是男人!真正的男人!背得起“人生责任”重担的男人!不是小白L!

摩托坠山那次,Snake对EVA的“冷漠”明眼人都能看来是Snake情感的“无奈”啊!他只是用了一个最苯的借口尽量的想去掩盖自己内心的感情!这错了吗?
最后回到“家”。两人喝酒的时候。Snake端着酒杯酒却迟迟饮不下,却又不说什么话。应该都看得来Snake的“紧张”吧?这样的男人不可爱吗?
Snake开口说的第一句话就是希望EVA能留在美国那是什么意思?当EVA最后探究Snake的感情时,Snake做了什么?``````如狼似虎的还不等EVA把话说完的EVA话音还没落的感情如火山喷发的“扑”了上去啊!
这是Snale没感情吗?
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发表于 2007-8-15 02:03:22 | 显示全部楼层
我不同意楼上的, BB对EVA无情是因为

BB的感情都给THE BOSS付出了

当然无情,而不是什么无奈。无奈是自己想但是没办法做到。

BB整个任务过程中一直受到THE BOSS的煎熬,哪有心思跟EVA来电
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发表于 2007-8-15 08:53:36 | 显示全部楼层
Snake对THE BOSS算是爱情?
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发表于 2007-8-15 16:16:09 | 显示全部楼层
正版

Snake的对BOSS是男女的爱情吗?!

Snake的“无奈”没体现出来还是你没看出来啊?!
Snake这样一个间谍他怎样才算是感情表现?!
还是你意思做间谍的都是没感情?!

你最后说“来电”?!``````````什么叫“来电”啊?你给解释下。“来电”是干吗用的?
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-8-15 21:09:13 | 显示全部楼层
回合金小牛:
本贴不是指责snake无情,而是替eva爱上了一个不爱她的男人而可惜

“Snake开口说的第一句话就是希望EVA能留在美国那是什么意思?”
Snake: Did you ever think about coming back to America?
Eva: I can't go back. I've left America behind me.
我看这种寻问只是礼节性的罢了

“当EVA最后探究Snake的感情时,Snake做了什么?``````如狼似虎的还不等EVA把话说完的EVA话音还没落的感情如火山喷发的“扑”了上去啊!”
性不等于爱
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发表于 2007-8-16 01:10:04 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=合金小牛;433228]正版

Snake的对BOSS是男女的爱情吗?!

Snake的“无奈”没体现出来还是你没看出来啊?!
Snake这样一个间谍他怎样才算是感情表现?!
还是你意思做间谍的都是没感情?!

你最后说“来电”?!``````````什么叫“来电”啊?你给解释下。“来电”是干吗用的?[/quote]

无言,感情=爱情?

而且BB也说过他对the boss的感情超越了爱情

eva跟bb是典型的神女有心,襄王无梦

并不是说bb无情

当时bb整个信仰体系崩溃+遭到最亲近的人背叛+还要杀了她完成任务

稍微正常点的人都不会有心情谈情说爱的

错误的时间碰到了对的人,有缘没份,这个帖子是为了eva正名+惋惜

ps: 来电你不会不知道什么意思吧?
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发表于 2007-8-26 20:32:57 | 显示全部楼层
也许只不过是感激+任务完成后放松一下+生理需要

^^
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发表于 2007-10-4 22:47:47 | 显示全部楼层
04分析的好啊!这帖值得一看!
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发表于 2007-10-5 15:57:01 | 显示全部楼层
强
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-17 11:14:55 | 显示全部楼层
MPO中关于EVA的剧情对话,是否属于正式剧情尚不清楚,可以作为参考
(重要台词“加粗”了)

Snake and Campbell - Airport
[Call]
Campbell: Snake, do you have... you know, someone special?
Snake: A woman...? I dunno. I guess there is someone I'd kind of like to see...
Campbell: Aha. That means there must be somebody. OK, I'll give you my secret recipe for getting the girl of your dreams.
Snake: Uh... no thanks, I'm fine.
Campbell: Don't be shy. See, in psychology there's a principle called Bossard's Law. It says the closer you live to somebody, the more likely the two of you will work out as a couple.
Snake: ...Law?
Campbell: In other words, if you want to get in with this girl, you need to see her as often as possible.
Snake: ...I can't see her.
Campbell: Huh?
Snake: She disappeared years ago, and I don't know where she is now. I tried looking for her, but I couldn't find a trace. I don't know whether she's still alive.
Campbell: ...I'm sorry to hear that.
Snake: ...
Campbell: You feeling down, Snake?
Snake: Nah...
Campbell: Ah... I just remembered. There's another principle in psychology called the Romeo and Juliet Effect. It says that the tougher the conditions faced by two lovers, the stronger their bonds of affection become. So don't give up yet, Snake. As long as she's not like some agent from an enemy country who's on the run because she screwed up her last mission, I'm sure you two will find each other somehow.***
Campbell: Uh... Snake?
Snake: Do me a favor. Just leave me alone for a while...
[End]

Snake and EVA - Communications Base
[Call]
(Indistinguishable writing - looks like Russian. One word looks quite close to 'Tatyana'.)
Snake: ...EVA? Is that you?
EVA: ...Who's that!? I know that voice... Snake? How did you!?
Snake: Never thought I'd hear your voice in a place like this...
EVA: No kidding. You really gave me a shock... Maybe she was right.
Snake: Who was right?
EVA: "We're all inhabitants of a little planet called Earth... There's no Cold War, no line between East and West..."
Snake: The Boss used to say that...
EVA: I'm sorry... I guess the world really is smaller than we think. But tell me Snake. How did you get this frequency? It's too weird to be a coincidence.
Snake: I, uh... It's a long story. Kind of hard to explain.
EVA: I see...
Snake: What was that noise?
EVA: Oh, sorry. That was the cargo plane's engine.
Snake: ...Cargo plane?
EVA: Yep. She's mine. You know how good I am at flying, right? Well, right now I'm working as a freelance pilot.
Snake: Freelance pilot? What happened to your employer...?
EVA: PLA intelligence? I was ...fired.
Snake: Let me guess. They were about to execute you and you got away. Because the CIA gave you a phony microfilm...
EVA: It's none of your concern, Snake... We were both playing each other. If anything, I'd say I still owe you one. (04觉得这应该是已经知道snake不爱她的eva的表面冷漠)
Snake: ...
EVA: But enough of that. Where are you now?
Snake: South America... A place called the San Heironymo Peninsula.
EVA: San Heironymo.... "La peninsula de los muertos?"
Snake: You've heard of it?
EVA: Yeah. I've made a few deliveries there.
Snake: Ah... So that's where the frequency on the back of that locker came from...
EVA: Snake, what are you doing there?
Snake: It's complicated. Another long story.
EVA: ...Got caught up in another mess, did we?
Snake: Something like that. It's no cocktail party, that's for sure.
EVA: Need a hand?
Snake: Well... Yeah, that'd be nice, but... Wait, what are you thinking, EVA? (邪恶的台词,mgs3和mpo里都有)
EVA: I'm thinking about you.
[pause]
EVA: I'm coming to see you.
Snake: Hey...
EVA: I said I owed you one, didn't I? And besides, if we don't meet now, we might not have another chance... (什么意思?)
[pause]
EVA: Or is it that you don't want to see me?
Snake: No... That's not it.
EVA: I'll bring you some ammo as a present. Be at the airport control room "in one week's time" and help me land.
Snake: EVA...
[End]

Snake and EVA - Airport
[Call]
Snake: This is Snake. EVA, do you read me?
EVA: I read you loud and clear, Snake... But I don't think that's going to be the case much longer.
Snake: What're you talking about? EVA, what's going on?
EVA: Well, I just got bit by a surface-to-air missle. I tried my best to shake it, but it was too late. The right engine's in flames-- looks like it's about to fall off.
Snake: Damn it! EVA, you've got to keep it together. We've got the airport secured.
EVA: I'm trying, but it doesn't look good... I'm losing altitude pretty fast...
Snake: Hold on, EVA! Just keep it in the air until you get to the airport!
EVA: No... It's no use. I can't get the nose up...
Snake: EVA... EVA! Come in, EVA!!
[End]

Snake, EVA, Campbell - Mission Screen - Post-Rescue
EVA: I'm so glad to see you, Snake...
Snake: Yeah, me too...
EVA: ...
Roy Campbell: (I...think I'll leave these two alone for a little while)
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发表于 2007-12-2 00:36:49 | 显示全部楼层
反驳观点二:
“EVA欺骗了Snake,最后将哲学家的遗产(假的)偷走了。”
04觉得如果不是Snake对The Boss一往情深,一再拒绝、伤害EVA的话,EVA最终不顾大局选择跟Snake私奔也并非没有可能。
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SNAKE对TB一往情深这点不能认同


PS 很佩服LZ拿MGS当武侠言情看了.......您确定不是古龙看多了- -?
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-12-2 10:09:47 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=madMGSer;442764]反驳观点二:
“EVA欺骗了Snake,最后将哲学家的遗产(假的)偷走了。”
04觉得如果不是Snake对The Boss一往情深,一再拒绝、伤害EVA的话,EVA最终不顾大局选择跟Snake私奔也并非没有可能。
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SNAKE对TB一往情深这点不能认同


PS 很佩服LZ拿MGS当武侠言情看了.......您确定不是古龙看多了- -?[/quote]

1. 不认同具体是因为什么
您觉得snake比较花,还和eva不明不白
还是snake木讷,跟tb只是师徒?

2. 没看过武侠小说
文学作品(包括mgs)其中含有感情线很正常
虽然eva线在mgs3中没有mgs1中的meryl那么明显
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发表于 2007-12-15 21:45:04 | 显示全部楼层
BB没有生育功能,  是在核爆时候受到一定的辐射了,所以他只能做细胞克隆
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发表于 2007-12-15 22:31:52 | 显示全部楼层
这个帖子写的很不错。

也许这就是为什么所有的男生都喜欢Snake的这种英雄性格的原因了。在现在这种男人没有个性的时代,通常都是男生热脸贴女生的凉屁股,把女人都惯坏了。

Snake教会了我们在追女朋友的时候需要欲擒故纵这个道理。
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发表于 2007-12-19 18:38:53 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=solidsnakeeater;444260]这个帖子写的很不错。

也许这就是为什么所有的男生都喜欢Snake的这种英雄性格的原因了。在现在这种男人没有个性的时代,通常都是男生热脸贴女生的凉屁股,把女人都惯坏了。

Snake教会了我们在追女朋友的时候需要欲擒故纵这个道理。[/quote]
从游戏中学习到人生的真谛,这才是王道……
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-19 09:49:15 | 显示全部楼层
修复图片,新增一图

mgs4中将我最感动的“EVA...我需要你”作为闪回出现了~
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发表于 2008-8-19 10:20:09 | 显示全部楼层
BIG BOSS 有恋母癖,不喜欢小妞
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发表于 2008-8-19 11:58:17 | 显示全部楼层
BigBoss对EVA还是有感情的,这种感情和他对TheBoss的感情不一样,TheBoss对他是一种信仰一样的存在,EVA是他的红颜知己。只不过自己的任务不能让自己陷入感情之中
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发表于 2008-8-19 12:38:10 | 显示全部楼层
我认为单论感情而言,BB和EVA两人都没有做错任何事,不存在谁无情谁淫荡的事情,两人都是在执行任务,而非恋爱育成
我认为BB和EVA之间从未产生过爱情(居家过日子的那种),EVA最后对BB没有下手,也许只是因为温存尚未冷却罢了。
两人最后的缠绵在我们看来也许不是顺理成章的事情,也许在西方人看来是极为平常,价值观不同而已(反正是我的话绝对不会那样做!人家EVA腰伤还没好哪!)
支持04性不等于爱的观点,不过战场上依然可以有爱情绽放,不过这一对不是就是了
此外我不同意BB有恋母情结!BB和TB之间是一种超越了男女之情的关系,两人都是经历过数次生死,TB更是在太空俯瞰过地球,两人之间的感情和爱情无关

我没有谈过恋爱,也许没有发言权,纯理论而已....
以上
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发表于 2009-2-6 19:06:33 | 显示全部楼层
这是宿命。BB是孤独的,他的两个孩子—索利德和利奎德也一样孤独,他们是没有过去和未来的人,即使拥有爱情也无法长久吧。
这样看来,雷电舍弃snake之名反而是对的,至少对渴望家庭的他来说。
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发表于 2009-3-26 14:37:35 | 显示全部楼层
可怜的EVA。。。。一直很喜欢EVA这个角色。。。
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发表于 2009-7-27 21:14:22 | 显示全部楼层
哎!bb和eva之所以遗憾,我要引用mgs同人漫画里的一句,战场上的爱情之花,谢了都轮不到他们两个。不过eva动的情(尚且说是温存),直到mgs4都没冷却,不时将ss当成bb,可见eva伤得很深,动情更深。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-28 11:00:40 | 显示全部楼层
顶楼上 不但叹息EVA 还引用了我翻译的漫画的台词
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