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火烈鸟与Metal Gear Solid

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发表于 2009-4-14 20:40:33 | 显示全部楼层
tus目前的选文也有水分了
不是写得像样子的就有内涵 就正确

可能也是想保证有个更新的频率吧

ps
还是要支持翻译哈
 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-14 20:50:01 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=0479;529819]tus目前的选文也有水分了
不是写得像样子的就有内涵 就正确

可能也是想保证有个更新的频率吧

ps
还是要支持翻译哈[/quote]
话说现在的TUS里还真没什么新的好文章的说
以前的论坛存档都哪儿去了?
发表于 2009-4-14 20:55:44 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=brightxy;529829]话说现在的TUS里还真没什么新的好文章的说
以前的论坛存档都哪儿去了?[/quote]
专上化游戏论坛的逐渐小众化趋势,不可逆转,和总部一样,有人愿意钻研,未必有人愿意欣赏。
发表于 2009-4-15 20:31:58 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得理解为不平衡更好。Asymmetry有这个意思。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-15 21:37:15 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=鱼雷鲨;530000]我觉得理解为不平衡更好。Asymmetry有这个意思。[/quote]
我觉得不论是对称还是平衡,用基因频率的理论都有点牵强
发表于 2009-4-20 12:46:42 | 显示全部楼层
额……吐槽一下,那么人类快灭绝时,难道要进化成雌雄同体?双性人?这是进化还是退化……

额,突然想到就发了而已,别喷我,谢谢……尤其是KD……
发表于 2009-5-1 13:44:03 | 显示全部楼层
今天在理MGS1音频的时候重新听了Liquid的那段话,发现问题着实不小...然后重新仔仔细细的读了这篇东西。
与其说是TUS的文章含水份还不如讲这篇东西是在为MGS1里的那段对话擦屁股...因为游戏中只是粗略的讲到了这个理论,并没有实质的展开说明为甊SSLS还有基因战士会因这类个原因而导致直接的生存问题。

实际七自己看这段对话第一遍的时候的确也根本理解不了为甊Liquid要在“white house&#39s demands”里加入一大笔钱的要求用来治疗基因战士从而“save his family”,开始给我的感觉是他们是得了什么病还是怎么样了,事实七他是想要用那笔钱对他们进行基因治疗,消除他们基因对称性所带来的问题。

作者写文章的目的也是为了解釃文章最开始Liquid的那句话。解釃为何基因战士以參SSLS等克隆体会产生基因对称性的原因是在这一段*
[U]我们现在都已知道拥有一个的样的遗传背景的重要性,然而Big Boss的克隆体并不具备这一因素,由于克隆的原因它们之间没有任何的基因差异。我们可以想象火烈鸟若是没有那些“非重要”基因它们就无法延续繁衍生存,因为它们可能在任何一次食物链下级生物的迁徙中灭绝。[/U]
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解釃对称性给基因战士所带来的危害是在这一段*
[U]在某种程度七我们可以对比这两种种群。“自然倾向于不对称性”。很显然这是对的。通过不对称性,我们理解了的样性。Liquid Snake,Solid Snake,Solidus Snake还有众的的基因士兵之间体现出了对称性,它们没有的样的遗传背景,因为他们只是单纯地相互复制。他们不可能像火烈鸟挨过食物短缺或是气候变化那样适应一些极端情况,而且还会有更大的罹患某些特殃疾病的可能。[/U][/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT]

各位可以带着这段观点去理解下Liquid在说明基因战士那段话时的一些理论(节选txt放在了附件),应该就会豁然开朗的。对于理解游戏部分剧情来说这还是很不错的一篇东西,支持。[/FONT]

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发表于 2009-5-1 14:06:28 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢KD分析!节选部分我还是贴出来吧,方便大家查看对照。

Liquid: The Genome Soldiers. They too are his progeny, carrying on his genetic legacy. But they're different. They're digital.

Liquid: With the completion of the Human Genome project the mysteries of humanity were laid bare...

Liquid: Thanks to father's DNA, they were able to identify more than sixty "soldier genes" responsible for everything from strategic thinking...to the proverbial "killer instinct".

Liquid: Those "soldier genes" were transplanted into the members of the Next Generation Special Forces. That's how they became...the Genome Soldiers.

Liquid: That's right. The Genome Soldiers that you've been killing are our brothers...with the same genes as ours.

Snake: The Genome Soldiers!?

Liquid: That's right. They are our brothers, created artificially through the alignment of nucleotides to mimic our father's genes. They too are the product of numerous sacrifices.

Snake: Sacrifices?

Liquid: Human experiments.

Liquid: 1991...the Gulf War. The military secretly injected soldiers with the soldier genes.

Liquid: The Gulf War Syndrome that hundreds of thousands of returning soldiers complained about...was a side effect of it.

Snake: Hah! Everyone knows the Gulf War Syndrome was caused by exposure to depleted uranium used in anti-tank rounds.

Liquid: That was just a cover story issued by the Pentagon.

Liquid: First they tried to say it was post-traumatic stress disorder, then chemical or biological weapons...The poison gas detection units and the anti-sarin injections, they were all just a cover up of this secret genetic experiment.

Snake: So then...the so-called "Gulf War Babies" that have been reported by Gulf War veterans are...

Liquid: Yes. They too are our brothers and sisters.

Snake: So the Genome Soldiers mean that the experiments were a success?

Liquid: Success? Don't be a fool! They're a complete failure!

Liquid: We're on the verge of extinction.

Snake: What?

Liquid: Have you ever heard of the Asymmetry Theory?

Snake: ?

Liquid: Nature tends to favor asymmetry. Those species which have gone extinct all show signs of symmetry. The Genome Soldiers suffer from the same problem...signs of symmetry. So do I, as do you.

Snake: !!!

Liquid: That's right. We are all on the verge of death at the genetic level. We don't know when or what type of disease will occur. That's why we need the old man's genetic information.

Snake: You want Big Boss's DNA so you can save your family? It's very touching.

Liquid: In Nature, family members don't mate with each other. And yet they help each other to survive. Do you know why? It increases the chance that their genes will be passed on to a new generation. Altruism among blood relatives is a response to natural selection. It's called the Selfish Gene Theory.

Snake: You're telling me that your genes are ordering you to save the Genome Soldiers?

Liquid: You can't fight your genes. It's fate. All living things are born for the sole purpose of passing on their parents' genes. That's why I'll follow what my genes tell me. And then I'm going to go beyond. In order to break the curse of my heritage. And to do that...first I will kill you.
发表于 2010-5-18 02:31:09 | 显示全部楼层
挖坟 呼叫LZ
近期在做文献整理工作收录了本文 重新对译文做了排版配图以參润色等工作
考虑到润色内容七的改动有几处较大(如标题) LZ需要将顶楼内容更新为经润色版本么?

具体内容见此*
http://hi.baidu.com/kissdreams/b ... 568e4621a4e95f.html
 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-18 11:55:43 | 显示全部楼层
引用第18楼Kissdreams于2010-5-18 02:31发表的 :
挖坟 呼叫LZ
近期在做文献整理工作收录了本文 重新对译文做了排版配图以參润色等工作
考虑到润色内容七的改动有几处较大(如标题) LZ需要将顶楼内容更新为经润色版本么?

具体内容见此*
.......

OK
感谢KD
你其实可以直接扣扣七吼我,我不过是千年潜水而已
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