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MGS2深度分析文章【汇总】

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-13 17:41:57 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=Kissdreams;522812]愣是没明白那里怎么颠覆了?[/quote]
我的理解是
剧情动画结束,进入倒计时,按传统或套路 肯定应该做些什么
但是正确答案居然是原地不动,到处乱跑反而会game over

(但是似乎需要玩家装备ak啃)
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-13 17:42:42 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=024;523579]进来支持下,尽管自己对剧情只是大概有个了解……
MGS2是我最喜欢的一作……[/quote]
这里的大的数文章讲的不是剧情 是结构
发表于 2009-3-13 18:07:32 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=0479;523806]我的理解是
剧情动画结束,进入倒计时,按传统或套路 肯定应该做些什么
但是正确答案居然是原地不动,到处乱跑反而会game over

(但是似乎需要玩家装备ak啃)[/quote]

这就是我不解他究竟想表达什么的意思....
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-14 11:12:52 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=Kissdreams;523812]这就是我不解他究竟想表达什么的意思....[/quote]
如果你说的“不解”指的是*既然有装备ak这个动作,就不能算是颠覆
那么我的解釃是*倒计时的时间很长,在倒计时之前Ames只说了“He&#39s coming! Pick up your AK!”
玩家在装备ak之后,看到还有时间,很可能觉得是不是应该逃跑或者反击什么的
结果游戏却是要求玩家装备之后,原地不动,是为颠覆

(但是,这里确实可能作者忘记了要装备ak一事,才做出了那样的评论)
发表于 2009-3-14 11:19:04 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=0479;523885]
玩家在装备ak之后,看到还有时间,很可能觉得是不是应该逃跑或者反击什么的
[/quote]
装备AK后最的延迟两秒然后就剧情了 不会倒计时完的不是么?
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-14 11:19:08 | 显示全部楼层
小岛曾表示MGS2受到日本小说〃Kangaroo Notebook》的启迪,MGS2可看作是对该书的致敬。
我已托人订购该书,还未到手。

这里贴出ny times对该书的书评,如果你读过〃版图之外》等文章,从这篇书评即可看出MGS2与该书的相似之处。

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/24/nnp/19469.html?_r=2

Weird and Weirder
[B]Date:[/B] April 28, 1996, Late Edition - Final
[B]Byline:[/B] By David R. Slavitt
[B]Lead:[/B]


KANGAROO NOTEBOOK
By Kobo Abe.
Translated by Maryellen Toman Mori.
183 pp. New York:
Alfred A. Knopf. $22.

In this novel, Kobo Abe ventures into a dream world just this side of utter madness, somewhere between Kafka&#39s &#39&#39Metamorphosis&#39&#39 and William Burroughs&#39s &#39&#39Naked Lunch.&#39&#39 As readers, most of us are tidy enough to look for ways to achieve coherence, and we hope somehow to find a way to make sense of the information we are processing. Out of habit, at least, we strive to figure out what is going on when the nameless protagonist who has discovered that there is a crop of cleft-leaf radishes growing out of his shins and who is being transported from one venue to another on a mobile hospital bed finds himself in a department store with a &#39&#39blanket wrapped around my waist, a bag of urine in my left hand and a metal pole with squid organs dangling from it in my right hand.&#39&#39 He is worried that &#39&#39if I blunder I could incite a riot.&#39&#39


[B]Text:[/B]


Readers familiar with Abe&#39s work can spot some of his characteristic tropes. His father was a physician, and he himself studied medicine (although he never practiced it). That must have something to do with the appearance in his work of doctors and nurses who are vividly peculiar. One nurse in this novel has been &#39&#39Miss Blood Collector&#39&#39 for three years straight and is trying for the &#39&#39Dracula&#39s Daughter Medal.&#39&#39 Such urban settings as the Worldly Desires shop in the Daikoku Department Store are of a piece with his general view of the metropolis -- especially in an earlier book, &#39&#39The Ruined Map&#39&#39 -- as a surrealistic and alienating environment. When some readers find similarities between Abe and Albert Camus, it is this part of his vision that they are talking about.

Still, &#39&#39Kangaroo Notebook&#39&#39 (which has been translated by Maryellen Toman Mori) is essentially an account of a dream experience, and [B]the trouble with nightmares as a mode of literature is that there is nothing much for a protagonist to do[/B]. As the poet Anne Carson asked in &#39&#39Glass, Irony and God,&#39&#39 &#39&#39Who in a nightmare / can help himself?&#39&#39 Abe&#39s luckless fellow with his floribundant shins can have many odd things happen to him and he can encounter different degrees of hostility, friendliness, menace or surcease, but there is no way he can actively influence what is going on around him and befalling him except to describe it in words, which doesn&#39t help. He can run interesting riffs like this one about marsupials: &#39&#39The longer you observe them the more you realize how pathetic they are. As I&#39m sure you know, marsupials and higher mammals have parallel evolutionary branches that mirror each other: cats and dasyures, hyenas and Tasmanian devils, wolves and Tasmanian wolves, bears and koalas, rabbits and bandicoots. . . . It would seem that marsupials are poor imitations of full-fledged mammals. Their inadequacy gives them a certain appeal; we&#39re touched by it.&#39&#39 True? Perhaps. Relevant? Who knows? In any event, one has to ask, relevant to what? This story is a series of bizarre disasters in which, bravely perhaps, people are making smart remarks like &#39&#39If you could commit suicide in hell, it wouldn&#39t be hell.&#39&#39

Kobo Abe was the pseudonym of Kimifusa Abe, who died in January 1993, just shy of his 70th year. Some nine million copies of his books had been sold, and his name, or anyway pseudonym, had been mentioned with some frequency as a plausible Nobel laureate. But he is most widely known because of the film Hiroshi Teshigahara made from his 1962 novel, &#39&#39The Woman in the Dunes.&#39&#39 In that book, there was a bizarre premise that he explored in a perfectly logical and realistic way as a man and a woman in their shack at the bottom of a sand pit struggled to escape. Here, though, in his last novel, the development is every bit as arbitrary as the donnee of the protagonist&#39s first assertion of the radishes growing on his legs. Weirdness just piles up on other weirdness, higher and higher, but there is never an end to it and we never arrive at a reasonable vista. What are we to make of the nurse&#39s American tenant, named Mr. Hammer Killer, who is hairy all over except for his face and palms, is working on a documentary film, &#39&#39Fatal Accidents,&#39&#39 runs the Japanese Euthanasia Club and has just bought a copy of &#39&#39The Narrow Gate,&#39&#39 by Andre Gide, believing it to be &#39&#39a &#39how to&#39 book on seducing virgins&#39&#39? Any one of those things could be funny or threatening or somehow interesting, but together, they turn into random bits and bytes that we keep wanting, nonetheless, to make coherent.

We keep failing, because the task is impossible and absurd -- like the endless shoveling of sand in &#39&#39The Woman in the Dunes.&#39&#39 My guess -- and I admit at once that this is only a guess -- is that what Abe was playing with was the idea of the novel itself. The shape of the genre implies that there can be a shape to experience. Robert Frost used to talk about how a poem offered &#39&#39a momentary stay against confusion,&#39&#39 and novels, too, usually offer an illusion of order and at least a glimpse of reasonableness. We may no longer be innocent enough to expect that good characters will be rewarded and that bad ones will be properly punished, [B]but our expectations of rationality are hard to suppress entirely[/B].

[B]It is with these expectations that Abe was toying, expecting us to keep on turning the pages[/B] because there is funny stuff on many of them [B]but also supposing that as we do so, we will feel ever greater levels of frustration[/B]. Our situation is as helpless and hopeless as that of the nameless man in this novel who is metamorphosing into a vegetable patch, worried that he will eventually &#39&#39turn into a giant plant, like an algae ball.&#39&#39 [B]It is up to us whether we close the book and give up, as I was tempted to do[/B] (even though I was being paid). What stopped me was the peculiar idea that had lodged in my head that this is just what Abe had planned, and that if I did what he had expected of me, I would be acknowledging, somehow, that he had won and he would be entitled to laugh at me. This is a strange relationship to have with the fiction of a dead pseudonymous Japanese writer, but then strange relationships were his specialty.

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-14 11:23:18 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=Kissdreams;523886]装备AK后最的延迟两秒然后就剧情了 不会倒计时完的不是么?[/quote]
好嘛 这不过是作者自己的理论 我也只是贴出大家讨论 看能不能引起什么思索
毕竟顶楼的文章质量是更高一些的
发表于 2009-3-14 11:40:24 | 显示全部楼层
是不是可以这么理解呢?本来装备AK是可以通过剧情动画来完成的,但却要玩家自己动手,借此增强玩家对游戏的代入感,但同时也有强制要求,并且伴随着倒计时,ocelot在慢慢逼近,玩家操作雷电,这时候必须不能做其他动作和选择,只能装备AK,其中这段里又隐含着玩家在实际意义七还是被游戏所牢牢地反控制和被限制,并且抗喻雷电在S3计划中被爱国者完全操控的意思。

以七都是个人想法,看过〃版图之外》后对MGS2的了一层理解,这就是其中获得的启示想法。
发表于 2009-3-14 12:37:11 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=0479;523808]这里的大的数文章讲的不是剧情 是结构[/quote]
哦,对,我指的就是那些看得不大明白 的"内容"
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-14 13:15:45 | 显示全部楼层
[quote=蝙蝠侠;523894]是不是可以这么理解呢?本来装备AK是可以通过剧情动画来完成的,但却要玩家自己动手,借此增强玩家对游戏的代入感,但同时也有强制要求,并且伴随着倒计时,ocelot在慢慢逼近,玩家操作雷电,这时候必须不能做其他动作和选择,只能装备AK,其中这段里又隐含着玩家在实际意义七还是被游戏所牢牢地反控制和被限制,并且抗喻雷电在S3计划中被爱国者完全操控的意思。

以七都是个人想法,看过〃版图之外》后对MGS2的了一层理解,这就是其中获得的启示想法。[/quote]
有一定道理
就是交给玩家操作,貌似有自由
但是你只能装备ak,不得有其他动作,实际还是没自由

但是请蝙蝠注意,我看作者想借这一点表达的是“MGS2对游戏套路的颠覆”或者“对游戏-玩家关系的讽刺”
建议不要总是归结到剧情七(s3)
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