最近玩TTS又想东西

jianickwu · 发表于 2004-10-7 22:50:50

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用SumGrely在2004-10-7 22:15:13的发言：

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>raven之战前
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>(Snake heads for the Underground Base. Eventually, when he is on a cargo
elevator, heading deeper into the base, he is contacted by Master Miller.)

Master : Snake, there\'s something I\'ve got to tell you about Naomi Hunter?

Snake : What about her?

Master : Is this conversation secure?

Snake : Don\'t worry. The monitor\'s off.

Master : Okay.

Snake : What\'s up?

Master : I was in the FBI too, y\'know.

Snake : I didn\'t know that. What\'s your point?

Master : Dr. Hunter\'s story about her background... about her grandfather
 being an assistant secretary to Hoover in the FBI...

Snake : Yeah?

Master : And then going undercover to investigate the mafia in New York...

Snake : Yeah, what about it?

Master : It was all a big lie.

Snake : What did you say?

Master : It was really bothering me. Why would she lie about it?

Snake : She lied?

Master : She might be a spy!

Snake : Rediculous!

Master : C\'mon. Even a high school student could see past it. The head of
 the FBI at that time, Edgar Hoover... he was a well known racist.
 Didn\'t Naomi say that her father was Japanese?

Snake : Yeah...

Master : Well back then there wasn\'t a single Asian investigator. Also,
 in the 1950\'s the undercover mafia sting operations hadn\'t even
 started yet. They first started in 1960... in Chicago, not New
 York.

Snake : But...

Master : You better check it out. The chief and the president dying, that
 ninja... too many strange things are happening.

Snake : Are you saying that Naomi might be behind it?

Master : I don\'t know. Either that or she\'s working with the terrorists.

Snake : Could it be...?

Master : If I find out anything, I\'ll call. In the meantime, be careful!

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>raven之战后
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>Snake : Master?

Master : It\'s about Naomi. Turn your monitor off...

Campbell : What about Naomi?

Master : Damn!

Snake : Colonel, is Naomi there?

Campbell : No, she\'s away. She\'s taking a short nap. So what is this about
 Naomi?

Master : Okay. Maybe we\'d better let the Colonel hear this too.

Snake : Yeah. Go on, Master...

Master : Well basically, Dr. Naomi Hunter is not Dr. Naomi Hunter at all.

Campbell : What!?

Master : I thought her story about her background sounded a little fishy, so
 I checked it out.

Campbell : And...?

Master : There is an actual Dr. Naomi Hunter, or I should say there was
 one... But she\'s not the woman we know. The real Noami Hunter
 disappeared somewhere in the Middle East. Our Naomi must have
 somehow gotten her identification papers.

Campbell : Then who is she really?

Master : She must be some kind of... spy.

Campbell : A spy!?

Master : Yes... maybe she\'s been sent to sabotage this operation.

Campbell : Are you saying she\'s with the terrorists?

Snake : ...I don\'t want to believe it either. But she is working for
 FOX-HOUND.

Campbell : So you think she had a part in the uprising?

Master : Or she could be working with some different group all together.

Campbell : Different group...? It couldn\'t be...

Master : Place her under arrest.

Campbell : What!

Master : She\'s betrayed us. She needs to be arrested and interrogated to
 find out who she\'s with.

Campbell : If she\'s one of their spies, then we\'re really in big trouble...

Snake : What do you mean!?

Campbell : Oh nothing....

Master : Have you let her in on some sort of vital secret or something?

Campbell : .........

Master : Does this have anything to do with the mysterious deaths of the
 DARPA Chief or the ArmsTech president?

Campbell : I... I have no idea.

Master : Anyway, we cannot allow her to participate any further in this
 mission.

Campbell : Wait, wait a minute. Without her, we can\'t complete this mission.

Snake : I knew it. You\'re hiding something.

Campbell : Give me some time. I\'ll try to get it out of her...

Master : Hurry then. We\'ve got to find out who she is and what she\'s doing
 here.

Campbell : I understand. Snake, give me some time.

Snake : I don\'t have any time left for you.
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>(Snake finds the key and heads back up to the control room to input the code.)


Computer : PAL code number one confirmed. Awaiting PAL code number two...

Snake : Okay, that takes care of PAL code number one... Now PAL number
 two... freeze the key.

Computer : PAL code number two confirmed. Awaiting PAL code number three...

Master : Snake. It\'s about Naomi Hunter...

Snake : Then you should talk to the Colonel. He\'s looking into it.

Master : Turn your monitor off.

Snake : Okay it\'s off. No one else can hear us. Go ahead.

Master : Sorry, but I didn\'t want the Colonel to hear.

Snake : Okay, so what\'s up?

Master : I\'ve got a good friend in the Pentagon...

Snake : Yeah...

Master : He\'s the one who told me about it... It looks like the DIA recently
 developed a new type of assassination weapon.

Snake : An assassination weapon?

Master : Snake, have you ever heard of something called "Fox Die"?

Snake : No...

Master : Fox Die?

Snake : ...Liquid and others were talking about it...

Master : Yeah. It\'s some kind of virus that targets specific people. I
 don\'t know all the details, but...

Snake : What are you trying to say?

Master : It\'s too similar.

Snake : What is!?

Master : The cause of death. Didn\'t the ArmsTech president and the DARPA
 Chief, I mean Decoy Octopus,... die of something that looked like
 a heart attack?

Snake : Yeah...?

Master : Well, apparently Fox Die kills its victims by simulating a heart
 attack.

Snake : No... You\'re telling me that Naomi was behind it?

Master : Snake, try to remember. Did Naomi give you some kind of injection?

Snake : ...The nanomachines.

Master : She was in the best position to have done it, but I don\'t know what
 her motive was.

Snake : ...Does the Colonel know?

Master : I\'m not sure. But he still hasn\'t questioned her.

Snake : Okay. I\'ll ask him myself. Colonel, what\'s new with the Naomi
 situation?

Campbell : I just placed Naomi under arrest.

Snake : Arrest?

Campbell : She was sending coded messages towards the Alaskan base. I didn\'t
 want to believe it, but she must be working with the terrorists.

Snake : Are you sure?

Campbell : I\'m afraid so. She\'s being interrogated now.

Snake : What kind of interrogation?

Campbell : Well...I\'d like to avoid the rough stuff, but we don\'t even have
 any sodium pentathol here.

Snake : Call me if you find out anything.

Master : So it\'s true, isn\'t it?

Snake : Naomi...I can\'t believe it.

Master : That means the Fox Die vaccine must be around somewhere.

Snake : Listen. I\'ve got bigger things to worry about.

Master : But Snake...you might be infected too, you know.

Snake : All I can do is leave it up to the Colonel.
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>你想说什么,,,....LIQUID知道FOXDIE知道的越早,是对我越有利的.你自己都说了,,,LIQUID的话在REX启动前很多都有可能是假话,,,这里LIQUID扮演教官在套SNAKE和Campbell的话,,,作为一个隐藏身份的人,就算知道的东西,当然也是要装着不知道去了解的....FOXDIE这个机密问题,,LIQUID扮演教官如果提出来的话,不反而会被Campbell怀疑?所以他才只在SNAKE面前提到...
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>而且,我们所说的\'\'知道FOXIDE\'\',,,的定义问题要搞清楚,,,LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE是什么时侯?知道FOXDIE的来源是什么时候,,,还有想知道FOXDIE的其他东西是什么时候???(这个其他东西从他说SNAKE可能被感染就看出来了)
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>而我说的正是LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE的时间...因为他知道了以后,就会很着急.因为只有王牌REX才能帮助他救自己的命和让政府接受他的要求了.所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晚...

爬虫 · 发表于 2004-10-7 23:01:26

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只能说对你的观点、你的论证有利，对你有啥利我真看不出。。。

猫脸党党魁 · 发表于 2004-10-7 23:20:59

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>﹃_﹃〣原来恐怖分子没真正的杀手锏之前不会要挟政府啊(N多的编剧给我站墙角去) 原来恐怖分子都不会定时限啊(在伊拉克的同仁们,你们还不够班竟然定了时限,给我去站墙角把)<

>我再说一遍这个帖子也有一个小白我也不指出了怕报复<

>对了外屋请无视之小白和FQ的聚集地而已

jianickwu · 发表于 2004-10-7 23:26:37

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用爬虫在2004-10-7 23:01:26的发言：

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只能说对你的观点、你的论证有利，对你有啥利我真看不出。。。</DIV>
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>因为你不了解我们辩论的历史,,,他是说LIQUID在最后阶段才发现自己中了FOXDIE.那个时候是RAVEN之后,,,这样他就可以说LIQUID之后没有全力阻止SNAKE和符合逻辑,而之前全力阻止是因为自己没中FOXDIE和不知道自己中了...
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>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越多,而我的说法就成立了...我就说LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE就很着急,很需要SNAKE帮他启动REX,,所以要拼命杀SNAKE就不符合逻辑.
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>不过这只是一个辩论点而已...已经比较远离刚开始的辩论点了..
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>LIQUID不可能有这么大的反差...怕SNAKE发现他们不能发射而阻止SNAKE,不如开始在拷问室就把SNAKE去KO掉呢...
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>你看,我上面又说到另外一个分论点了...

爬虫 · 发表于 2004-10-8 00:11:38

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>口古月！我败了呀……<

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我承认……不是你没看懂我的意思，而是我没能力让你看懂我的意思

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>牛儿还在山坡吃草~~~

SumGrely · 发表于 2004-10-8 10:02:58

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>至于他知道的时间,最早是走出拷问事,最晚是和SNAKE说关于NAOMI的事情...<

>所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晚...<

>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越多,而我的说法就成立了...<

>真是笑死我了<

>摆脱别这么搞笑好不好<

>假设ls知道自己中foxdie很早，然后你的说法就成立了？<

>你用假设的条件来支撑你的论点？<

>你一切的理论都建立在一个假设的条件下？ <

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>我看到这里差点被饭呛死，饭喷了整个显示器屏幕

jianickwu · 发表于 2004-10-8 10:22:12

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用SumGrely在2004-10-8 10:02:58的发言：

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>至于他知道的时间,最早是走出拷问事,最晚是和SNAKE说关于NAOMI的事情...
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>所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晚...
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>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越多,而我的说法就成立了...
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>真是笑死我了
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>摆脱别这么搞笑好不好
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>假设ls知道自己中foxdie很早，然后你的说法就成立了？
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>你用假设的条件来支撑你的论点？
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>你一切的理论都建立在一个假设的条件下？ 
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>我看到这里差点被饭呛死，饭喷了整个显示器屏幕</DIV>
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>哈哈,,知道可能性吗???你的思路果然狭窄....我是用可能性来反驳你肯定LIQUID在那个时候才知道.....因为有这个可能性,肯定了这个可能性的存在,你不能完全否定他.你没证据...就因为你不能完全否定他的存在,你的LIQUID在最后才知道论点就不成立了,你的论点不成立你就不能反驳我了,OK???
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>谁的立场需要巩固一下啊?我是发帖者,
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>你知道你的立场吗???我说不符合逻辑,我有NN个论点和论据,我现在只是和你说其中一个而已,哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立,而你却需要把我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???
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>(而你之前只推翻了我一个MANTIS用读心术才知道密码的分论据而已,这点我承认我疏忽,可是我照样可以用拷问可以知道密码,同样可以知道卡片来反驳你)
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>其实你已经输了,前面关于SNAKE的怀疑,你就以SNAKE只是心里在怀疑没有说出来和小岛没有设定这个来逃避了...
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>另外好好擦擦的你的屏幕,,,不然不能用就惨了.

爬虫 · 发表于 2004-10-8 11:58:56

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> 哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立<

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从语言的组织来看，楼主已经疯了

楼主你自己跟大家说说，到底是MGS的剧情不符合逻辑，还是你的主论点不符合逻辑<

>你却需要把我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???<

>人家肯跟你说道理已经是体现了不怕脏不怕累的革命精神了，放心的战吧，SG肯定不嫌累。寓教于乐，调教你是我们的乐趣

SumGrely · 发表于 2004-10-8 12:20:18

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>哈哈,,知道可能性吗???你的思路果然狭窄....我是用可能性来反驳你肯定LIQUID在那个时候才知道.....因为有这个可能性,肯定了这个可能性的存在,你不能完全否定他.你没证据...就因为你不能完全否定他的存在,你的LIQUID在最后才知道论点就不成立了,你的论点不成立你就不能反驳我了,OK???
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>首先告诉你我有充足的证据和理由证明ls是在冷凝库raven之战后知道自己中病毒的
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>对白我已经给你列出来了，你跟帖分析的不错
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>可惜你忽视的一个重要问题，我先不说，看你自己看不看的出来
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>而且你要搞清楚
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>就算我的理论是假设
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>可我的假设一旦成立正好和实际剧情相符
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>你现在也是假设
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>你的假设成立就和剧情相违背
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>大家会去相信一个与剧情违背的假说
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>还是一个与剧情一致的假说？
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>别和我说大家相信哪个与你无关
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>要是与你无关你发这个帖干什么？
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>谁的立场需要巩固一下啊?我是发帖者,
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>再重复一遍，你是质疑者，是你进攻，我防御，我已经给出了你合理解释，你驳不倒我的这个与剧情相符合的解释，就说明的质疑失败
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>你知道你的立场吗???我说不符合逻辑,我有NN个论点和论据,我现在只是和你说其中一个而已,哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立,而你却需要把我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???
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>你倒是说说还有那个论据我没推翻，你说你的观点2是,LIQUID要SNAKE去启动REX,可是却千方百计的阻止他.这不符合逻辑.
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>我已经说的再明确不过了：
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>LIQUID千方百计的阻止SNAKE时，不需要SNAKE去启动REX
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>LIQUID要SNAKE去启动REX时,没有千方百计的阻止他
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>你把两个没有同时发生的事搁在一起说他们同时发生不合逻辑
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>你给出什么论据都是没用的
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>提醒你一下，你现在对于这两件事同时发生的依据还是个假设，你还没能拿出证据证明
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>我一点也没觉得累啊，我觉得看你逻辑混乱的回帖简直就是一种娱乐，要知道我怕你早早就认输，那样就没得玩了，不过瘾
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>你看看前面是不是有人说在拿你的帖当笑话看
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>前面关于SNAKE的怀疑,你就以SNAKE只是心里在怀疑没有说出来和小岛没有设定这个来逃避了...
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>你又转换概念了
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>我现在把这个问题全部说清楚
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>如果你认为snake应该对那些反常的现象提出疑问，那么我已经举了例子，在见到rex时snake怀疑了
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>如果你认为除了上面那个例子外，其他场合应该也有怀疑，那请问是否非要剧情安排个event让你看到了才算snake怀疑了？引用你的话了：你要知道,你不相信的东西不代表不是事实
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>最后，我告诉你，就算剧情从头到尾没有任何snake怀疑的剧情，也是合理的，不要告诉我你的脑子就认为不合理，我说了，你找个和你一样想法的人出来给我看看。到现在为止还没有人赞同你。你怎么让人觉得信服？你的讨论里到处都是混乱的逻辑，我会相信一个逻辑混乱的人的理论？

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-10-8 12:23:18编辑过]

SumGrely · 发表于 2004-10-8 12:31:23

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用爬虫在2004-10-8 11:58:56的发言：

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>哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立
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>

从语言的组织来看，楼主已经疯了

楼主你自己跟大家说说，到底是MGS的剧情不符合逻辑，还是你的主论点不符合逻辑
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>你却需要把我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???
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>人家肯跟你说道理已经是体现了不怕脏不怕累的革命精神了，放心的战吧，SG肯定不嫌累。寓教于乐，调教你是我们的乐趣

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>我从开始就来玩这个游戏的
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>这样可以锻炼我的逻辑能力
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>因为要说服一个逻辑混乱的人
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>必须自身要有绝对清晰的逻辑思维才行
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>爬虫请放心
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>我在最后还安排了最精彩的节目
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>请各位观众锁定频道，广告之后见

kiddding · 发表于 2004-10-8 23:54:23

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>怎么说呢，我学得楼主并不是对于整个剧情寻求一种合理的解释，而是从每一个细节去想像所谓的可能性；就好像说出现一个这样的剧情：某个小兵被AK直接命中头部；他所想的是：这样不一定会致命呀，医学上也曾有过这样的奇迹。<

>对于这种拿一特列当普遍真理的逻辑，SumGrely 我觉得你没必要跟他缠下去了

0479 · 发表于 2004-10-9 14:27:51

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用SumGrely在2004-10-8 12:31:23的发言：

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>我从开始就来玩这个游戏的

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>这样可以锻炼我的逻辑能力

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>因为要说服一个逻辑混乱的人

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>必须自身要有绝对清晰的逻辑思维才行

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>爬虫请放心

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>我在最后还安排了最精彩的节目

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>请各位观众锁定频道，广告之后见

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>sum真强啊，佩服你的毅力~

jeokeo · 发表于 2004-10-18 20:11:51

佩服大家的毅力，这帖子看完了，我的眼睛都挣不开了~！

BloodSnake · 发表于 2004-10-19 00:07:18

這個帖子的氣氛很活躍～～哦也～

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