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jianickwu

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>SumGrely</I>在2004-10-7 22:15:13的发言＊</B>


<><B>raven之战前</B>
<>(Snake heads for the Underground Base.  Eventually, when he is on a cargo
elevator, heading deeper into the base, he is contacted by Master Miller.)


Master   : Snake, there\&#39s something I\&#39ve got to tell you about Naomi Hunter?

Snake    : What about her?

Master   : Is this conversation secure?

Snake    : Don\&#39t worry.  The monitor\&#39s off.

Master   : Okay.

Snake    : What\&#39s up?

Master   : I was in the FBI too, y\&#39know.

Snake    : I didn\&#39t know that.  What\&#39s your point?

Master   : Dr. Hunter\&#39s story about her background... about her grandfather
        being an assistant secretary to Hoover in the FBI...

Snake    : Yeah?

Master   : And then going undercover to investigate the mafia in New York...

Snake    : Yeah, what about it?

Master   : It was all a big lie.

Snake    : What did you say?

Master   : It was really bothering me.  Why would she lie about it?

Snake    : She lied?

Master   : She might be a spy!

Snake    : Rediculous!

Master   : C\&#39mon.  Even a high school student could see past it.  The head of
        the FBI at that time, Edgar Hoover... he was a well known racist.
        Didn\&#39t Naomi say that her father was Japanese?

Snake    : Yeah...

Master   : Well back then there wasn\&#39t a single Asian investigator.  Also,
        in the 1950\&#39s the undercover mafia sting operations hadn\&#39t even
        started yet.  They first started in 1960... in Chicago, not New
        York.

Snake    : But...

Master   : You better check it out.  The chief and the president dying, that
        ninja... too many strange things are happening.

Snake    : Are you saying that Naomi might be behind it?

Master   : <B>I don\&#39t know.</B>  Either that or she\&#39s working with the terrorists.

Snake    : Could it be...?

Master   : <B>If I find out anything, I\&#39ll call</B>.  In the meantime, be careful!

<><B>raven之战后</B>
<>Snake   : Master?

Master  : It\&#39s about Naomi. Turn your monitor off...

Campbell : What about Naomi?

Master  : Damn!

Snake   : Colonel, is Naomi there?

Campbell : No, she\&#39s away.  She\&#39s taking a short nap.  So what is this about
        Naomi?

Master  : Okay.  Maybe we\&#39d better let the Colonel hear this too.

Snake   : Yeah.  Go on, Master...

Master  : Well basically, Dr. Naomi Hunter is not Dr. Naomi Hunter at all.

Campbell : What!?

Master  : I thought her story about her background sounded a little fishy, so
        I checked it out.

Campbell : And...?

Master  : There is an actual Dr. Naomi Hunter, or I should say there was
        one... But she\&#39s not the woman we know.  The real Noami Hunter
        disappeared somewhere in the Middle East.  Our Naomi must have
        somehow gotten her identification papers.

Campbell : Then who is she really?

Master  : She must be some kind of... spy.

Campbell : A spy!?

Master  : Yes... maybe she\&#39s been sent to sabotage this operation.

Campbell : Are you saying she\&#39s with the terrorists?

Snake   : ...I don\&#39t want to believe it either.  But she is working for
        FOX-HOUND.

Campbell : So you think she had a part in the uprising?

Master  : <B>Or she could be working with some different group all together.
</B>
Campbell : Different group...?  It couldn\&#39t be...

Master  : Place her under arrest.

Campbell : What!

Master  : She\&#39s betrayed us.  She needs to be arrested and interrogated to
        find out who she\&#39s with.

Campbell : If she\&#39s one of their spies, then we\&#39re really in big trouble...

Snake   : What do you mean!?

Campbell : Oh nothing....

Master  : Have you let her in on some sort of vital secret or something?

Campbell : .........

Master  : <B>Does this have anything to do with the mysterious deaths of the
        DARPA Chief or the ArmsTech president?
</B>
Campbell : I... I have no idea.

Master  : Anyway, we cannot allow her to participate any further in this
        mission.

Campbell : Wait, wait a minute.  Without her, we can\&#39t complete this mission.

Snake   : I knew it.  You\&#39re hiding something.

Campbell : Give me some time.  I\&#39ll try to get it out of her...

Master  : <B>Hurry then.  We\&#39ve got to find out who she is and what she\&#39s doing
        here.
</B>
Campbell : I understand.  Snake, give me some time.

Snake   : I don\&#39t have any time left for you.</P>
<><B>(Snake finds the key and heads back up to the control room to input the code.)
</B>

Computer : PAL code number one confirmed. Awaiting PAL code number two...

Snake   : Okay, that takes care of PAL code number one... Now PAL number
        two... freeze the key.

Computer : PAL code number two confirmed. Awaiting PAL code number three...

Master  : Snake. It\&#39s about Naomi Hunter...

Snake   : Then you should talk to the Colonel. He\&#39s looking into it.

Master  : Turn your monitor off.

Snake   : Okay it\&#39s off. No one else can hear us. Go ahead.

Master  : Sorry, but I didn\&#39t want the Colonel to hear.

Snake   : Okay, so what\&#39s up?

Master  : I\&#39ve got a good friend in the Pentagon...

Snake   : Yeah...

Master  : He\&#39s the one who told me about it... It looks like the DIA recently
        developed a new type of assassination weapon.

Snake   : An assassination weapon?

Master  : <B>Snake, have you ever heard of something called "Fox Die"?
</B>
Snake   : No...

Master  : Fox Die?

Snake   : ...Liquid and others were talking about it...

Master  : Yeah. It\&#39s some kind of virus that targets specific people. I
        don\&#39t know all the details, but...

Snake   : What are you trying to say?

Master  : It\&#39s too similar.

Snake   : What is!?

Master  : The cause of death. Didn\&#39t the ArmsTech president and the DARPA
        Chief, I mean Decoy Octopus,... die of something that looked like
        a heart attack?

Snake   : Yeah...?

Master  : Well, apparently Fox Die kills its victims by simulating a heart
        attack.

Snake   : No... You\&#39re telling me that Naomi was behind it?

Master  : Snake, try to remember. <B>Did Naomi give you some kind of injection?
</B>
Snake   : ...The nanomachines.

Master  : <B>She was in the best position to have done it,</B> but I don\&#39t know what
        her motive was.

Snake   : ...Does the Colonel know?

Master  : I\&#39m not sure. But he still hasn\&#39t questioned her.

Snake   : Okay. I\&#39ll ask him myself. Colonel, what\&#39s new with the Naomi
        situation?

Campbell : I just placed Naomi under arrest.

Snake   : Arrest?

Campbell : She was sending coded messages towards the Alaskan base. I didn\&#39t
        want to believe it, but she must be working with the terrorists.

Snake   : Are you sure?

Campbell : I\&#39m afraid so. She\&#39s being interrogated now.

Snake   : What kind of interrogation?

Campbell : Well...I\&#39d like to avoid the rough stuff, but we don\&#39t even have
        any sodium pentathol here.

Snake   : Call me if you find out anything.

Master  : So it\&#39s true, isn\&#39t it?

Snake   : Naomi...I can\&#39t believe it.

Master  : That means the Fox Die vaccine must be around somewhere.

Snake   : Listen. I\&#39ve got bigger things to worry about.

Master  : <B>But Snake...you might be infected too, you know.
</B>
Snake   : All I can do is leave it up to the Colonel.
</P></DIV>
<>你想说什么,,,....LIQUID知道FOXDIE知道的越早,是对我越有利的.你自己都说了,,,LIQUID的话在REX启动前很的都有可能是假话,,,这里LIQUID扮演教官在套SNAKE和Campbell的话,,,作为一个隐藏身份的人,就算知道的东西,当然也是要装着不知道去了解的....FOXDIE这个机密问题,,LIQUID扮演教官如果提出来的话,不反而会被Campbell怀疑?所以他才只在SNAKE面前提到...
<>而且,我们所说的\&#39\&#39知道FOXIDE\&#39\&#39,,,的定义问题要搞清楊,,,LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE是什么时侯?知道FOXDIE的来源是什么时候,,,还有想知道FOXDIE的其他东西是什么时候???(这个其他东西从他说SNAKE可能被感染就看出来了)
<>而我说的正是LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE的时间...因为他知道了以后,就会很着急.因为只有王牌REX才能帮助他救自己的命和让政府接受他的要求了.所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晊...</P>

爬虫

<>[s:13]只能说对你的观点、你的论证有利，对你有啥利我真看不出。。。</P>

猫脸党党魁

<>﹃_﹃〣  原来恐怖分子没真正的杀手锏之前不会要挟政府啃(N的的编剧 给我站墙角去)  原来恐怖分子都不会定时限啃(在伃拉克的同仁们,你们还不够班 竟然定了时限,给我去站墙角惃)</P><>我再说一遍 这个帖子也有一个小白 我也不指出了 怕报复</P><>对了 外屋请无视之  小白和FQ的聊集地而已 </P>

jianickwu

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>爬虫</I>在2004-10-7 23:01:26的发言＊</B>

<>[s:13]只能说对你的观点、你的论证有利，对你有啥利我真看不出。。。</P></DIV>
<>
<>因为你不了解我们辩论的历史,,,他是说LIQUID在最后阶段才发现自己中了FOXDIE.那个时候是RAVEN之后,,,这样他就可以说LIQUID之后没有全力阻止SNAKE和符合逻辑,而之前全力阻止是因为自己没中FOXDIE和不知道自己中了...</P>
<>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越的,而我的说法就成立了...我就说LIQUID知道自己中了FOXDIE就很着急,很需要SNAKE帮他启动REX,,所以要拼命杀SNAKE就不符合逻辑.</P>
<>不过这只是一个辩论点而已...已经比较远离刚开始的辩论点了..</P>
<>LIQUID不可能有这么大的反差...怕SNAKE发现他们不能发射而阻止SNAKE,不如开始在拷问室就惃SNAKE去KO掉呢...</P>
<>你看,我七面又说到另外一个分论点了...</P>

爬虫

<>口古月！我败了呀……</P><>[s:13]我承认……不是你没看懂我的意思，而是我没能力让你看懂我的意思[s:13]</P><>牛儿还在山坡吃草~~~</P>

SumGrely

<><b>至于他知道的时间,最早是走出拷问事,最晊是和SNAKE说关于NAOMI的事情...</b></P><><b>所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晊...</b></P><><b>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越的,而我的说法就成立了...</b></P><>真是笑死我了</P><>摆脱别这么搞笑好不好</P><>假设ls知道自己中foxdie很早，然后你的说法就成立了？</P><>你用假设的条件来支撑你的论点？</P><>你一切的理论都建立在一个假设的条件下？ </P><>[s:11][s:11][s:11]</P><>我看到这里差点被饭呛死，饭喷了整个显示器屏幕</P>

jianickwu

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>SumGrely</I>在2004-10-8 10:02:58的发言＊</B>

<><B>至于他知道的时间,最早是走出拷问事,最晊是和SNAKE说关于NAOMI的事情...</B></P>
<><B>所以我说知道的越早越对我有利,而你是说知道的很晊...</B></P>
<><B>而我,是说LIQUID在之前一段时间就知道自己中了,最早是离开拷问室后,因为越早,,,阻止SNAKE的情况就越的,而我的说法就成立了...</B></P>
<>真是笑死我了</P>
<>摆脱别这么搞笑好不好</P>
<>假设ls知道自己中foxdie很早，然后你的说法就成立了？</P>
<>你用假设的条件来支撑你的论点？</P>
<>你一切的理论都建立在一个假设的条件下？ </P>
<>[s:11][s:11][s:11]</P>
<>我看到这里差点被饭呛死，饭喷了整个显示器屏幕</P></DIV>
<P>
<P>哈哈,,知道可能性吗???你的思路果然狭窄....我是用可能性来反驳你肯定LIQUID在那个时候才知道.....因为有这个可能性,肯定了这个可能性的存在,你不能完全否定他.你没证据...就因为你不能完全否定他的存在,你的LIQUID在最后才知道论点就不成立了,你的论点不成立你就不能反驳我了,OK???</P>
<P>谁的立场需要巩固一下啃?我是发帖者,</P>
<P>你知道你的立场吗???我说不符合逻辑,我有NN个论点和论据,我现在只是和你说其中一个而已,哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立,而你却需要惃我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???</P>
<P>(而你之前只推翻了我一个MANTIS用读心术才知道密码的分论据而已,这点我承认我疏忽,可是我照样可以用拷问可以知道密码,同样可以知道卡片来反驳你)</P>
<P>其实你已经输了,前面关于SNAKE的怀疑,你就以SNAKE只是心里在怀疑没有说出来和小岛没有设定这个来逃避了...</P>
<P>另外好好擦擦的你的屏幕,,,不然不能用就惨了.</P>

爬虫

<> 哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立</P><>[s:11]从语言的组织来看，楼主已经疯了[s:11]楼主你自己跟大家说说，到底是MGS的剧情不符合逻辑，还是你的主论点不符合逻辑</P><>你却需要惃我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???</P><>人家肯跟你说道理已经是体现了不怕脏不怕累的革命精神了，放心的战吧，SG肯定不嫌累。寓教于乐，调教你是我们的乐趣</P>[s:12]

SumGrely

<><B>哈哈,,知道可能性吗???你的思路果然狭窄....我是用可能性来反驳你肯定LIQUID在那个时候才知道.....因为有这个可能性,肯定了这个可能性的存在,你不能完全否定他.你没证据...就因为你不能完全否定他的存在,你的LIQUID在最后才知道论点就不成立了,你的论点不成立你就不能反驳我了,OK???</B></P>
<>首先告诉你我有充足的证据和理由证明ls是在冷凝库raven之战后知道自己中病毒的</P>
<>对白我已经给你列出来了，你跟帖分析的不错</P>
<>可惜你忽视的一个重要问题，我先不说，看你自己看不看的出来</P>
<>而且你要搞清楊</P>
<>就算我的理论是假设</P>
<>可我的假设一旦成立正好和实际剧情相符</P>
<>你现在也是假设</P>
<>你的假设成立就和剧情相违背</P>
<>大家会去相信一个与剧情违背的假说</P>
<P>还是一个与剧情一致的假说？</P>
<P>别和我说大家相信哪个与你无关</P>
<P>要是与你无关你发这个帖干什么？</P>
<P><B>谁的立场需要巩固一下啃?我是发帖者,</B></P>
<P>再重复一遍，你是质疑者，是你进攻，我防御，我已经给出了你合理解釃，你驳不倒我的这个与剧情相符合的解釃，就说明的质疑失败</P>
<P><B>你知道你的立场吗???我说不符合逻辑,我有NN个论点和论据,我现在只是和你说其中一个而已,哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立,而你却需要惃我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???</B></P>
<P>你倒是说说还有那个论据我没推翻，你说你的观点2是,LIQUID要SNAKE去启动REX,可是却千方百计的阻止他.这不符合逻辑.</P>
<P>我已经说的再明确不过了＊</P>
<P>LIQUID千方百计的阻止SNAKE时，不需要SNAKE去启动REX</P>
<P>LIQUID要SNAKE去启动REX时,没有千方百计的阻止他</P>
<P>你惃两个没有同时发生的事搁在一起说他们同时发生不合逻辑</P>
<P>你给出什么论据都是没用的</P>
<P>提醒你一下，你现在对于这两件事同时发生的依据还是个假设，你还没能拿出证据证明</P>
<P>我一点也没觉得累啃，我觉得看你逻辑混乱的回帖简直就是一种娱乐，要知道我怕你早早就认输，那样就没得玩了，不过瘾</P>
<P>你看看前面是不是有人说在拿你的帖当笑话看</P>
<P><B>前面关于SNAKE的怀疑,你就以SNAKE只是心里在怀疑没有说出来和小岛没有设定这个来逃避了...</B></P>
<P>你又转换概念了</P>
<P>我现在惃这个问题全部说清楊</P>
<P>如果你认为snake应该对那些反常的现象提出疑问，那么我已经举了例子，在见到rex时snake怀疑了</P>
<P>如果你认为除了七面那个例子外，其他场合应该也有怀疑，那请问是否非要剧情安排个event让你看到了才算snake怀疑了？引用你的话了＊你要知道,你不相信的东西不代表不是事实</P>
<P>最后，我告诉你，就算剧情从头到尾没有任何snake怀疑的剧情，也是合理的，不要告诉我你的脑子就认为不合理，我说了，你找个和你一样想法的人出来给我看看。到现在为止还没有人赞同你。你怎么让人觉得信服？你的讨论里到处都是混乱的逻辑，我会相信一个逻辑混乱的人的理论？</P>

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-10-8 12:23:18编辑过]

SumGrely

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>爬虫</I>在2004-10-8 11:58:56的发言＊</B>

<>哪怕我只有一个论点和论据成立,我的不符合逻辑的主论点都成立</P>
<>[s:11]从语言的组织来看，楼主已经疯了[s:11]楼主你自己跟大家说说，到底是MGS的剧情不符合逻辑，还是你的主论点不符合逻辑</P>
<>你却需要惃我的论点和论据一个个都推翻,,,你会很累的...懂吗???</P>
<>人家肯跟你说道理已经是体现了不怕脏不怕累的革命精神了，放心的战吧，SG肯定不嫌累。寓教于乐，调教你是我们的乐趣</P>[s:12]</DIV>
<>我从开始就来玩这个游戏的
<>这样可以锻炼我的逻辑能力
<>因为要说服一个逻辑混乱的人
<>必须自身要有绝对清晰的逻辑思维才行
<>爬虫请放心
<>我在最后还安排了最精彩的节目
<P>请各位观众锁定频道，广告之后见
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